Re: Call for mixed blessing-style jewellery and consumables

Eddie Grove wrote:
> On Apr 28, 6:04 pm, Timo Pietilä <timo.piet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> Andrew Sidwell wrote:
>>> Timo Pietilä wrote:
>>>> Most mushrooms are very good source for "identifying by
>>>> testing"-method. Other good is "bad" potions.
>>> I hope that the need to do this is reduced a bit now that *ID* is
>>>  removed and ID grants full knowledge.
>> Where's the fun in that?
> 
> Where's the fun in clearing a vault, picking up 10 elvenkind armors, 
> and having no possible way to test them to decide which 4 you can 
> take home or to the next level?

Fun is that you must leave something behind. >:-) Inventory management. 
In current angband you would need to make that same decision.

> If you do not have multiple mushrooms of each possible resistance
> effect, what do you do?

Hmmm... later in game this would prove quite challenging you would need 
to carry around items in order to get them *ID*:d. need to think about
that.

Of course there are several methods to test, mushrooms, potions and 
monster effects.

>> I would much more like to see improved method of finding out what
>> things have without *ID*. In fact I would like to remove *ID* and
>> encourage testing-method instead. Game just needs to record the
>> results in tests so that you don't have to:
>> 
>> You eat mushroom of confusion:
>> 
>> You get confused = all items with unknown properties get recorded
>> that it does not grant resist confusion.
>> 
>> You don't get confused and have multiple sources of unknown
>> properties = those items get marked as "might grant resist
>> confusion".
> 
> This is too hard.  You need to be told precisely which items grant
> it. That's just IMO, but as I played that style for a year or two, my
>  opinion is based on lots of games played.

I agree. I posted a slight change in that.

>> If only one then it gets recorded as giving resist confusion.
>> 
>> Those could be visible in (I)dentifying item and from CD
>> resistances screen, "might be" shown as "?" in rows.
>> 
>> Being somewhat mystified of what you have is part of the game. If
>> you take that away, then you could as well just get rid of
>> identification entirely and give player full info of the item as
>> soon as he picks it up. There would be not much difference between
>> that and ID giving full information of the item.
>> 
>> Timo Pietilä
> 
> I have written [and played :)] patched versions both of S and of NPP 
> where I removed id *entirely*.  It is not feasible to test each and
> every artifact via mushrooms of confusion etc.  I decided that the
> best way to make it work is that once you learn a property in a slot,
> you instantly recognize that property on another item going into the
> same slot.  So if you learn that your hat grants SI, IMO you should
> *instantly* recognize SI on any other hat you pick up.

You have slightly different approach than what I have. I marked to my 
own to-do list that testing tells if item doesn't have or does have with 
testing _and_ via pseudo-ID. So warriors would have no problem getting 
all properties of the item quite fast. Mages would need to test more 
which is counterintuitive. Maybe I also need to make a spell that speeds 
up that process.

Also I think I create artifact memory for artifacts like monster memory, 
so that at least when you play with standard set of artifacts you 
immediately recognize known artifact properties if you know something 
from it before. That way only items that have random features and 
unknown artifacts need that identifying via testing.

Timo Pietilä