Re: Call for mixed blessing-style jewellery and consumables

On Apr 28, 6:04 pm, Timo Pietil=E4 <timo.piet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Andrew Sidwell wrote:
> > Timo Pietil=E4 wrote:
> >> Most mushrooms are very good source for "identifying by
testing"-method=
..
> >  > Other good is "bad" potions.
>
> > I hope that the need to do this is reduced a bit now that *ID* is
> > removed and ID grants full knowledge.
>
> Where's the fun in that?

Where's the fun in clearing a vault, picking up 10 elvenkind armors,
and having no possible way to test them to decide which 4 you can
take home or to the next level?  If you do not have multiple mushrooms
of
each possible resistance effect, what do you do?

> I would much more like to see improved method
> of finding out what things have without *ID*. In fact I would like to
> remove *ID* and encourage testing-method instead. Game just needs to
> record the results in tests so that you don't have to:
>
> You eat mushroom of confusion:
>
> You get confused =3D all items with unknown properties get recorded that
> it does not grant resist confusion.
>
> You don't get confused and have multiple sources of unknown properties
=3D=

> those items get marked as "might grant resist confusion".

This is too hard.  You need to be told precisely which items grant it.
That's just IMO, but as I played that style for a year or two, my
opinion is based on lots of games played.

> If only one then it gets recorded as giving resist confusion.
>
> Those could be visible in (I)dentifying item and from CD resistances
> screen, "might be" shown as "?" in rows.
>
> Being somewhat mystified of what you have is part of the game. If you
> take that away, then you could as well just get rid of identification
> entirely and give player full info of the item as soon as he picks it
> up. There would be not much difference between that and ID giving full
> information of the item.
>
> Timo Pietil=E4

I have written [and played :)] patched versions both of S and of NPP
where
I removed id *entirely*.  It is not feasible to test each and every
artifact via mushrooms
of confusion etc.  I decided that the best way to make it work is that
once you learn a property in a slot, you instantly recognize that
property
on another item going into the same slot.  So if you learn that your
hat
grants SI, IMO you should *instantly* recognize SI on any other hat
you pick up.

I think of this as "rune" based, with the idea that all properties are
granted
by runes and you spend the game learning them.  The question remains
whether
once you have learned a hat of SI whether you should instantly
recognize SI
in a weapon.  I never made up my mind on that one.  One way is too
much learning,
and the other way is too little, but I never found a way to get a
perfect balance.

Perhaps grouping into weapons/bows vs jewelry vs armor would work, but
I
never tried that and the code is lost now.

Eddie