On 28 Apr 2008 Andrew Sidwell wrote:
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> Other curses I planned for were:
> - bonus-flipping curse: an item whose positive bonuses become negative
> and vice versa, every now and again.
I like the sound of this one -- perhaps the most literal interpretation
of a 'mixed-blessing' item anyone has come up with!
> - cannot-drop curse. I'm less convinced this is a good curse idea now
> than I used to be. (obviously would have to be able to be removed)
Eh? How does that differ from any other curse?
(or has this changed like the ID since the last time I played Vanilla?)
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> Gargoon wrote:
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> > Potions of slowness could be renamed potions of iron-skin, giving
> > their usual slowing and a large AC boost. They'd still be pretty bad,
> > but not totally useless.
>
> I have mushrooms of stoneskin, which slow you down (-5) but give a boost
> of 30AC for the duration.
Is 30AC worth having for being half-slowed? I suppose if you found a
dragon mail or something you might wear it even if you were slowed
thereby -- but I'm not sure you'd bother with ordinary armour that
slowed you down that much for a 30-AC-point benefit...
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> Igenlode Wordsmith wrote:
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> > Likewise, rings/amulets that carry a speed penalty along with a
> > significant bonus/resist. I suppose this wouldn't be very different
> > from, say, heavy weapons or artifact armour as they stand...
>
> I have this down as an amulet which gives FA but also slows you down. I
> haven't got a good name though (currently Slow Motion). Ideas?
I second the suggestion of Amulet of Inertia ;-) Heavy, but you just
keep going...
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> > Some kind of item (?staff?) of Mass Confusion, that addles the brains
of
> > every monster within sight -- until the effects wear off, of course!
>
> I've added this, but I fear it will just turn into another staff of
> slow/sleep.
In other words, not effective on enough monsters to be usable? :-(
>
> > How about another object like a Wand of Wonder, that generally has a
> > good effect but sometimes has a bad effect, and you never know which
> > you're going to get next? A Scroll/Staff of Armour Tinkering, for
> > instance: there's a good chance that a one-off use will endow a random
> > (selected from among your existing, equipped, unenhanced possessions)
> > piece of equipment with a random resist, but if you get greedy and try
> > it too often, then ultimately the tinkering is bound to destroy one of
> > your existing excellent items instead -- and you don't get to choose
> > which bit of equipment gets tinkered with, either way. (This would
> > really make more narrative sense as an encounter with a random
> > wandering wizard who takes away one of your items during the night and
> > starts fiddling with it ;-)
>
> I believe that there's something that can be done to item enchantment
> different and better, but I'm not sure this is it.
Well, I rather like the approach (in Ey?) where you *can't* enchant
items to-damage, so that if you want a bigger-hitting weapon you jolly
well have to trade up. But it might be considered a bit drastic for
Vanilla!
> Ray Dillinger wrote:
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> > You could have poisons that cancel each other out/act as antidotes for
> > each other.
>
> I'm not sure the cost-benefit of this change would be high enough. I
> was pondering having mushrooms of stoneskin poison you with a special
> poison as long as your AC was high, but I gave up on that idea.
I can't see people bothering to carry them around on the off-chances of
accidentally quaffing one of the other kind... or even getting breathed
on...
A variant (Ey again, I think) implemented alchemy, so that all the
potions in the game could be manufactured by the player out of two other
potions, good or bad -- I was never quite sure how logical the
combinations were, although I was convinced you ought to be able to
deduce them somehow! Every time you drank a potion you had a chance of
learning one or other of its ingredients, which, assuming that the
ingredients thing did work backwards (i.e. Cure Serious Wounds = Water +
Slowness) provided an incentive for drinking 'bad' or useless potions
after the first time you'd encountered them. It also meant that you
tended to learn the recipes for the potions you used the most often, of
course, i.e. the commonest...
I think it was supposed to provide an incentive for carrying ingredients
around on the hopes of finding their 'other halves' and creating
something much more valuable by the combination, but in practice,
although fun, it wasn't really enough to sacrifice equipment slots for.
And again, probably much too way-out for Vanilla.
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>
> > A rod of light or frost bolts or something that drains mana every
> > time it is invoked. Useful to people who don't have the spell, but
> > for wizards who do, not worth carrying.
>
> I'm not sure what that would hold over just a rod of light or frost
> bolts or something. Unless those rods were only available in
> mana-draining flavours, in which case the TMJ problem for spellcasters
> just got worse.
It would have to be something a lot more potentially powerful than
low-level rods -- and yes, probably a flavour that wasn't available as a
non-mana-draining rod. New high-level powers that only exist in this
form, so that wizards *can't* prefer to cast them as a spell.
Might be too powerful as regards non-spell-casters, though, since they'd
effectively get all the benefit and none of the penalty. Pinching
another variant idea, maybe those rods should take the cost in mana
points as far as possible and in an equivalent number of hit points
otherwise -- so that you can use them even if you have insufficient
mana, provided you're willing to pay the price...
>
> Kenneth Boyd (zaimoni) wrote:
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> > Slow Magical Metabolism, which directly impairs mana regeneration, and
> > possibly also the spell-casting stat bonus to maximum mana.
>
> I could see this being on a ring that increased wis and int.
So you get a larger mana pool (due to increasing spellcasting stat) but
it doesn't refill so quickly? Sounds an interesting mixed blessing, but
I don't know how the balance would work out in practice -- depends on
your offence spell tactics, perhaps.
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> Timo Pietilä wrote:
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> > Speed could make you use more food. I don't think that is appropriate
for
> > healing. Opposite could be better. You can't drink too many
> > healing-potions because you get gorged. Then salt water becomes
> > useful.
Given that it also paralyses you, I'm surprised you can afford to use it
if in a dangerous enough position to need Healing -- or else, if you've
achieved a safe enough escape to be able to vomit in safety, I'm
surprised you need to spend a Healing potion and can't just wait to
regenerate or heal more cheaply...
>
> I like the idea of healing potions having a significant nutritional
> value, so I've done that. We'll have to see if it works or not...
>
>
> konijn wrote:
> > Random thoughts, bash at your pleasure
> >
> > * Ring of Rage ( -10 to hit, +10 damage )
> > * Ring of the Cat ( +7 stealth, -1 CON )
>
> Implemented variations on these.
>
> > * Potion of Colon Cleaning ( restore CON, STR , put character hungry )
>
> Tasteful name. :)
Potion of Purging/Cleansing?
>
> > * Potion of Caffeine ( +10 speed for twice as long as regular !speed,
> > afterwards -10 speed for same time )
>
> Done, but I'd like a more in-theme name. :)
Potion of Mania? Potion of Boost/Spasm/Adrenaline/Overdrive?
How about a Potion of Ergot or similar, providing manic speed at the
cost of hallucinations? ;-)
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> dstillwa wrote:
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> > * Ring of the Mouse (-5 dam, +5 stealth)
>
> I think this is covered by the above Ring of the Cat.
>
Ring of the Mouse sounds more like +40AC, -10 dam... they can't hit you,
and you can't hurt them :-p
Again, probably only of use to ranged attackers...
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