Re: Another soon-to-be-dead char

On Mar 6, 10:27 pm, Timo Pietil=E4 <timo.piet...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Ranger is so powerful class that you can play it easily without books at
> all. Especially after you get that first extra shot. Only thing that
> then bugs your playing is really really bad ID. Try playing one with all
> other spells removed and see how easy it is. Ranger stats are great, its
> melee is third best after warrior and paladin, and with missiles it is
> best. Giving it spells to boost that even further is munchking IMO.
>
> About ranger ID, I think that ranger should have strong pseudo like all
> other warrior-spellcasters. It is slow enough that it would still suck,
> but at least you could be sure that items that you have have been
> pseudo-identified. And big majority of spells removed. Rogue is the one
> that should have more spells, because rogue doesn't have any special
> abilities.
>
> In my variant there will be "archer" class which is basically bookless
> ranger with better melee and Ranger will be less bow-oriented class with
> slightly better non-offensive magic. I give rogue something to make it
> interesting (don't know yet what, but I have few ideas).

I say do something similar with Vanilla.

Archer -> Existing ranger without spells or books, but with strong,
          mid-speed pseudo
Ranger -> Existing ranger with one fewer extra shot by endgame
          and perhaps without the branding spells

Rogue needs to either be viable warrior-mage or thief with specialist
abilities.

One way to fix that that isn't the usual variant route is to give
rogues a lot of magic buffs and truly effective monster-hindering and
debuffing spells, with no or weak direct-damage-dealing magic; soup up
mages' direct-damage-dealing even more maybe and drop many of their
buffs. Mages are currently balanced for having continual haste in the
late game, though, so if you got rid of that they'd need rebalancing
something fierce.

Rogues should get a tem****ary stealth boost spell and several cheap
and varied tele****t spells, including perhaps tele****t-to, i.e. the
ability to drag a monster to near the rogue. Spells that grant
tem****ary resistances to nexus, confusion, nether, and disenchantment
might even be in-theme for rogues, who would tend to use such forces
and turn them on their enemies more than suc***b to them.