Re: Another soon-to-be-dead char

On 2008-03-04 04:51:24, Eddie Grove <eddiegrove@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> Timo Pietilä  writes:
> 
> > Antoine wrote:
> > > On Mar 4, 3:54 pm, Timo Pietilä  wrote:
> > >> David J Richardson wrote:
> > >>> Not as dead as if you were a Mage.
> > >>> (My latest mage just found Purifications at 150 feet -- 20,000
gold is
> > >>> a VERY handy boost-up to a new character!)
> > >> This is very good argument of keeping selling as a feature in
vanilla.
> > >> It becomes irrelevant later in game, but early it makes huge
difference.
> > > You can get the same effect in a non-selling game by putting in
> > > occasional very large gold drops...?
> >
> > Those should then be occassional 30000gp at dlvl 50'. And found onto
floor
> > sometimes. Othervise it is not the same thing.
> 
> It would have been precisely the same if he found a 20K gold drop
instead of
> the dragonscale mail.  We had this discussion a month or two ago. 
Everyone
> agreed that if given the option to sell a single-base-element DSM it was
> usually an automatic choice to do so.
> 
> If you believe that what the OP did was fun and good in the game,
eliminating
> selling and generating occasional gold drops in multiples of 10K would
be
> pretty much the same.  You could make it pretty much equivalent by,
whenever
> you drop gold, call the item generation routines and drop the selling
value of
> a randomly generated item.

True, in DaJAngband I usually play with selling turned off, but sometimes
I miss
it and turn it back on for a game or two.  For some people at least, there
is
more thrill in finding a DSM or even a useless ego item than there is in
finding
its equivelent in gold.  I think it is a matter of taste and people should
be
able to chose either way.

Also, if we're talking about the first couple dungeon levels, if people
find a
DSM that shallow, they will likely keep it until they find an elvenkind or
artifact armor, or at least an armor of resistance.  It's only if you
already
have good armor that DSM might be an automatic sell, and even then, IMO,
it's a
lot cooler to find a DSM than it would be to find 20K gold laying around.

The temptation of using a mostly-useless ego item or DSM, and the
collecting of
stuff to sell and deciding "hmm, my inventory is full, so which is more
worth
keeping: an exicutioner's sword of slay giant or my couple copies of the
first
spellbook which I can rebuy in the magic shop?  And if I drop the
spellbooks,
would it be safe to hang around and kill a few more monsters?",  ..these
things
are all part of the fun of playing a game with selling enabled.  Sure,
they are
also the cause of some YASDs, but if you have fun with those things, it's
worth
it.
The #1 goal of the game is not to kill Morgoth, it is to have fun.  I'm
sure
killing Morgoth is fun (though I've never had the pleasure), but there are
other
aspects of the game that are also fun (at least to most people, I think). 
People should be allowed to have fun with whatever aspects of the game are
fun
for them.

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Will_Asher

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