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Re: String, Fish and Cash in a Mix (Shui-Huo-Ti Pai), Why?

by al <alee@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 2, 2008 at 05:02 PM

On Apr 17, 10:29 am, al <a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> I read the following excerpt somewhere a while back.
> I have questions to ask to see if anybody can help.
>
> Why  STRINGS, FISH and CASH IN SHUI-HUO PAI?
>
I had given the name incorrect.
It was Shui-Huo-Ti Pai. I don't know what it is in Chinese.

> How far back is this pai dated? Sounds like only the compass-
> directions were left out.
>
Is this pi not what Mah-Jong could have evolved from, if evolution was
the process that resulted in the game as it is now?

> =3D=3D=3D START QUOTE =3D=3D=3D
>
> =93"Shui-huo Ti Pai. A set of 120 cards. Widely distributed in
> Northeastern 3 provinces, North China and along the coast of Long
> River. Also there are many manufacturers spread over wide areas.

That was an industrial region.

> "Strings" 1 is called "Big Fish Card" or "Small Fish Card" and a
> picture of big fish or a child catching a fish is drawn on it.

That was a "string of Fish", clearly not Cash.
As I said before, we can not go by what the cards were called or the
dialects there were. To understand the development of an ancient game
such as mahjong, go to the heart and soul of that game. Look at the
method of play and the rules with principles in them. Focus on the
constants , not the variables.

For example, the pattern for a winning hand has been oa constant. The
requirement of a pair to win and the formation of "TRIGs" ( i.e.
trigrams) is different from all other games. What system has
correlative features?

I recall some one in this group remarked one time. "You found
similarities in I-Ching, so what?"
I take it that mens the authoritative words have been spoken and
"Cash" was the word.
Can't be too sure...after all, Culin, Himly and wilkinson ect. were
authors of mahjong genesis, calling Cash like biblical Fruits.
++++++
There
> are two kinds of patterns of "Strings" cards; one is the realistic
> picture of fish and the other is the bundle of coins.

This is interesting and puzzling. could that have meant people need
money to buy fish or coastal area was rich with natural resource from
the sea? or fish was as good as money?

> [..]>
> =3D=3D=3D END QUOTE =3D=3D=3D
> [..]
> +++++++++++++
Cheers....al
 




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String, Fish and Cash in a Mix (Shui-Huo-Ti Pai), Why?
al <alee@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-04-17 07:29:45 
Re: String, Fish and Cash in a Mix (Shui-Huo-Ti Pai), Why?
al <alee@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-02 17:02:30 
Re: String, Fish and Cash in a Mix (Shui-Huo-Ti Pai), Why?
al <alee@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-16 18:40:36 
Re: String, Fish and Cash in a Mix (Shui-Huo-Ti Pai), Why?
al <alee@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-04 15:44:30 

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