On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:39:07 -0700, DougL wrote:
> On Apr 6, 11:16 pm, Rick Pikul <rwpi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:30:56 +0000, Mary K. Kuhner wrote:
>> > Try pricing Speak with Ravens in any point-build system and I think
>> > you quickly learn that Speak with Everything is better.
>>
>> Hero doesn't have much of a problem with that.
>>
>> Speak with Everything: Universal Translator, (20 points), plus
>> 5d6 Telepathy only for communication with animals, (10 points). Total
>> cost 30 points.
>>
>> Speak with Ravens, 5d6 Telepathy, only for communication with ravens, 7
>> points.
>
> So I can speak with about 0.01% of the things I meet that don't speak
> English for 7 points or with 100% for 30 points. One of these things
> is clearly better than the other unless the GM is deliberately ****ing
> with the world to have Ravens show up with im****tant messages for me
> every 5 minutes.
Two things:
The percentage of things you can speak with, that you normally couldn't,
does not have a linear relation****p with the utility of that ability. The
first bit, (speak with <limited foo>), is the most valuable bit.
Hero point values are also not linear, going from 7 to 30 is about a 24
fold increase.
Of course, those point values were just first blush calculations. I did
make an error, I forgot to use standard effect[1]: So I could drop the
Speak with Ravens down to 2 or 3 dice, for a real cost of 3 or 4 points.
You can also add more points to the Speak with Everything, both to
increase the telepathy dice and the universal translator INT roll.
> Mary didn't say that the two had the same cost or that you couldn't
> buy Speak with Ravens. She said Speak with Everything is clearly a
> better deal, you and Brian appear to be disagreeing with her by
> providing sup****ting evidence that she is correct.
You have a large cost difference, similar to the utility of the powers
within an environment where ravens are reasonably common, (if the only
ravens in the campaign area are going to be the character's pet and about
six others that people have im****ted, I'm going to give a lot more than -1
for "only with ravens").
[1] For non-Hero players: In Hero you can define a power to always have
every die of its effect be a 3.
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Phoenix
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