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Re: Campaign pacing

by tussock <scrub@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 21, 2007 at 08:56 PM

Mary K. Kuhner wrote:
> In article <45ffe81a@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>, tussock  <scrub@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
>>     With all modules, I have to redo them a bit to allow breaks, the 
>> bad guys have lives too and all that. I mean, the PCs are allowed to 
>> bite off more than they can chew, get in over their heads, that's all 
>> part of the fun; but generally there's something out there for them
that 
>> they can defeat in detail and return home to drink away the horrid 
>> memories of.
> 
> How do you do it?
> 
> SPOILERS for SCAP follow:
> 
> A pretty typical module adventure:  An evil priestess has waylaid a
> priest who was returning to the city with some magic items needed
> to prevent a flood.

     He's got the MacGuffin. It's irrelevant to the game, that's the 
point of a MacGuffin. It can easily be something to prevent the flood 
predicted due in a couple years time (a natural damn has blocked a 
tributary and will break about then), or protect the city from a plague, 
or whatever.

> The PCs get word of this.  They try to rescue the priest, but too
> late:

     Heh. Being a moment too late is just melodrama, I'm not bothered 
with throwing that sort of thing out. The PCs can chase down the thugs a 
month later as they start throwing around their payment and getting 
loose lipped with booze.
     The PCs put the hard word on them, but they play all innocent: then 
they panic and try to take out the PCs, and we continue. Or, you know, 
whatever, there's always something to draw the fights into play.

> they tangle with the thugs who killed him, but the evil  priestess
> has gone.

     So the items have gone to ground and there remains no trail to 
follow. They can turn up next spring doing something ominous, word 
quickly working it's way to the PCs.

> They track her down to her underground lair and defeat  her and her
> companions.

     /Finally/, in the late summer, a lacky is uncovered who betrays 
their location. The autumnal rains are due, but not for few weeks (or 
maybe it's the spring thaw, doesn't matter).

> They then return to town in time to stop the flood.

     Or they don't, floods can be fun too. 8]

> The PCs went up two levels in the course of this.  (I don't recall
> exactly where the first level advance was:  maybe right after
> the thugs.)

     And if they're a little short, pull a couple of encounters from 
elsewhere and work them in as a side story. Or, you know, wait 'till 
next year to go up a level.

> How do you redo something with a plot like that so that the PCs can
> have significant downtime in the middle?

     I think I've done that alright above.

> Or do you avoid using anything with such a structure?

     Not a lot of the structure needs changed, just a paragraph or two 
of preamble. Same major NPCs, same encounters, almost all of the same 
connections between them, and that's where the work is in preparing DnD 
games. The plot is just happening over a year instead of a couple days.

> Most of the modules I've seen are either frightfully, almost (to
> my mind) unusably short--one or two encounters, basically, like the
> ones WOTC has on line--or cover 2-3 levels' worth of advancement,
> like the original Adventure Paths or the SCAP or Worms modules.

     The longer stuff all has natural break points, they're designed to 
let parties regain spells and heal up. Just stretch the connection 
between them, instead of a secret three sectioned dungeon have three 
secret dungeons.

     Even something weird like "The World's Largest Dungeon" could see 
the PCs setting up little extended camps within the place, learning to 
get on with the less obnoxious of their neighbours.

> If you run it as written, the PCs start out at 5th and are 7th 
> a couple of days later.  It's not clear to me how you could stretch it
> over months of game-time, unless you abandon the "we need to
> stop the flood" time pressure.

     Any extended plot arcs have to be ****ged into having the requisite 
years available, or just accept that the PCs might have to let someone 
else handle the problem.
     They are perfectly allowed to push on, but there's little to gain 
in game or out, and you don't want to stick your neck out too far anyway.

> And then it gets hard to feel that the PCs are involved with their
> setting.

     The setting is the lives of the people around you; not the fights 
or some external time pressure. Say the coming flood will destroy the 
low-lying structures, so people are selling up and closing shop in 
preparation. This causes devaluation, unemployment, vacant buildings, 
and sees lots of minor crime and disorder springing up. An old friend 
gets in debtors trouble with the magistrate, that sort of stuff.
     In the downtime the players can work on providing for the new poor, 
organising useful work boarding up abandoned buildings, clearing fire 
dangers, and managing any refugees. It's not just a few fights over the 
MacGuffin, it's a major event in the life of your city.

> The material you write yourself is, I presume, much less encounter-
> dense than most modules.  I know the stuff I write myself is.

     Sort of. I don't mind the whole level/year worth of fights stuck 
into a two or three day seige, I just like to put some background around 
why the seige is happening and what its extended effects are.

> But the modules really impose a pretty strong advancement clock.

     If you've seen the newer Savage Tide stuff, it's been on a railroad 
from the home city to a ****pwreck and across an island. The voyage takes 
a long time naturally and a ****pwreck provides an excellent forced rest 
as food, water, and shelter needs organised, and the weather has to 
clear enough to go walkabout.
     Across the island there's time to be taken in a villiage, have them 
learn to accept the PCs before they'll guide them further. Spending a 
year with the villiagers helping them out makes sense in the long-term 
too. It doesn't matter that the PCs were lost for three years crossing 
the island, it'll make reuniting with the boss all the more dramatic.

-- 
     tussock

Aspie at work, sorry in advance.
 




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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-03-14 20:16:05 
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Peter Knutsen <peter@[  2007-03-24 09:08:16 
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Brandon Blackmoor <bbl  2007-03-28 14:12:57 
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Peter Knutsen <peter@[  2007-03-29 04:39:28 
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Simon Smith <simon_smi  2007-03-14 22:19:55 
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Simon Smith <simon_smi  2007-03-14 22:26:27 
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Simon Smith <simon_smi  2007-03-14 22:28:48 
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Gary Johnson <zzjohnsg  2007-03-15 13:41:57 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-03-20 19:15:00 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-03-23 17:43:23 
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tussock <scrub@[EMAIL   2007-03-21 01:53:27 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-03-20 20:49:00 
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tussock <scrub@[EMAIL   2007-03-21 20:56:44 
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dalamb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2007-03-22 02:57:38 
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tussock <scrub@[EMAIL   2007-03-22 18:36:07 
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Ed Chauvin IV <edcfour  2007-03-22 09:49:20 
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tussock <scrub@[EMAIL   2007-03-23 15:47:59 
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Rick Pikul <rwpikul@[E  2007-03-23 11:50:51 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-03-22 18:52:50 
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tussock <scrub@[EMAIL   2007-03-23 19:02:59 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-03-23 17:54:00 
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tussock <scrub@[EMAIL   2007-03-25 04:05:44 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-03-28 19:34:00 
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"DougL" <lam  2007-03-29 21:59:01 
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Russell Wallace <russe  2007-03-30 07:05:58 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-03-30 16:59:58 
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Erol K. Bayburt <ErolB  2007-03-30 22:08:10 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-03-31 14:20:51 
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Erol K. Bayburt <ErolB  2007-03-31 11:53:17 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-04-02 21:14:09 
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Erol K. Bayburt <ErolB  2007-04-02 22:55:31 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-04-03 20:32:49 
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Erol K. Bayburt <ErolB  2007-04-04 22:53:57 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-04-03 22:32:08 
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Erol K. Bayburt <ErolB  2007-04-04 23:37:54 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-04-05 20:47:13 
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Erol K. Bayburt <ErolB  2007-04-05 20:05:54 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-04-06 19:30:56 
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Rick Pikul <rwpikul@[E  2007-04-07 00:16:06 
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Simon Smith <simon_smi  2007-04-10 16:53:24 
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arromdee@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-04-10 18:28:19 
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Simon Smith <simon_smi  2007-04-03 00:26:40 
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Erol K. Bayburt <ErolB  2007-04-02 23:19:41 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-04-03 18:17:49 
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George W Harris <gharr  2007-04-24 07:47:26 
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"DougL" <lam  2007-03-30 06:24:02 
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"DougL" <lam  2007-03-31 07:58:52 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-04-01 03:45:37 
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"psychohist" &l  2007-04-04 09:39:42 
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"psychohist" &l  2007-04-05 15:36:12 
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"gleichman" <  2007-04-06 12:54:09 
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"DougL" <lam  2007-04-10 07:39:07 
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"gleichman" <  2007-04-10 09:17:41 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-04-10 17:16:08 
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"psychohist" &l  2007-04-12 09:47:59 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-04-13 00:01:22 
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Erol K. Bayburt <ErolB  2007-04-12 23:43:39 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-04-13 05:40:33 
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Erol K. Bayburt <ErolB  2007-04-13 02:08:27 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-04-13 21:10:37 
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