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Re: mechanics of surprise

by Gary Johnson <zzjohnsg@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 6, 2007 at 04:44 PM

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, John Morrow wrote:

> And I'm sorry if you don't like the implications of the comparison, but 
> would you really accept your own argument about what it means to apply 
> the same rules to two groups if we were talking about two ethnic groups 
> instead of PCs and NPCs and laws instead of rules?  Somehow, I doubt it.

Okay, I'll bite. What's that real world comparison got to do with the pros

and cons of game design? How is comparing Neel's argument to that used by 
sup****ters of apartheid a meaningful point?

For example, I'm comfortable with participating in non-democratic gaming 
groups that unilaterally bestows executive power in perpetuity to one 
individual (the DM), but I'm not comfortable with living under a 
non-democratic government that does the same thing. How does comparing the

first position to the second position meaningfully contribute to a 
discussion about distributing executive power in a gaming group?

It seems to me that such comparisons do little more than imply that the 
person who sup****ts the first position is either the sort of person who 
would sup****t the second position or the sort of person who holds 
irrational, inconsistent beliefs. Either suggestion doesn't reflect well 
on the person who sup****ts the first position - which is perhaps why Neel 
was offended by the comparison.

Cheers,

Gary Johnson
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-02-21 22:26:49 
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"gleichman" <  2007-02-21 16:39:00 
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Eric P. <ericpNOSPAM06  2007-02-22 05:18:52 
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Rick Pikul <rwpikul@[E  2007-02-22 01:22:25 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-02-22 20:29:25 
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Rick Pikul <rwpikul@[E  2007-02-23 02:24:57 
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"psychohist" &l  2007-02-22 14:46:49 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-02-23 00:06:43 
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tussock <scrub@[EMAIL   2007-02-24 00:47:54 
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Erol K. Bayburt <ErolB  2007-02-23 07:58:52 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-02-23 20:44:53 
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Erol K. Bayburt <ErolB  2007-02-23 19:50:07 
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tussock <scrub@[EMAIL   2007-02-24 18:21:35 
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Erol K. Bayburt <ErolB  2007-02-24 11:23:20 
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Russell Wallace <russe  2007-02-27 22:39:50 
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Ed Chauvin IV <edcfour  2007-02-23 20:19:39 
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Erol K. Bayburt <ErolB  2007-02-24 23:38:45 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-02-25 06:10:11 
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Ed Chauvin IV <edcfour  2007-02-25 00:57:33 
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Klaus Mittag <klaus_mi  2007-02-25 17:29:40 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-02-25 16:51:08 
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Brandon Blackmoor <bbl  2007-02-25 01:16:47 
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Ed Chauvin IV <edcfour  2007-02-25 00:57:33 
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Erol K. Bayburt <ErolB  2007-02-25 01:32:19 
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Ed Chauvin IV <edcfour  2007-02-25 09:04:43 
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Simon Smith <simon_smi  2007-02-28 16:52:35 
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Russell Wallace <russe  2007-02-28 19:55:04 
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Russell Wallace <russe  2007-03-01 22:11:16 
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Erol K. Bayburt <ErolB  2007-03-06 18:36:05 
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John Morrow <morrow@[E  2007-03-06 12:37:43 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-03-07 07:25:47 
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John Morrow <morrow@[E  2007-03-07 11:20:17 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2007-03-01 13:46:55 
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Erol K. Bayburt <ErolB  2007-03-02 03:00:10 
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Russell Wallace <russe  2007-03-01 21:08:54 
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Simon Smith <simon_smi  2007-03-05 18:03:10 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2007-03-02 08:21:02 
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John Morrow <morrow@[E  2007-03-04 13:23:24 
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Neelakantan Krishnaswami   2007-03-05 00:47:58 
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John Morrow <morrow@[E  2007-03-04 13:47:04 
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Indiana Joe <indianajo  2007-03-04 19:48:47 
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Russell Wallace <russe  2007-03-06 01:35:43 
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John Morrow <morrow@[E  2007-03-04 20:40:08 
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Neelakantan Krishnaswami   2007-03-05 17:29:28 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-03-05 20:22:38 
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John Morrow <morrow@[E  2007-03-04 20:43:28 
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Erol K. Bayburt <ErolB  2007-03-06 09:25:59 
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"psychohist" &l  2007-03-05 10:00:15 
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Neelakantan Krishnaswami   2007-03-05 21:43:40 
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John Morrow <morrow@[E  2007-03-05 14:38:32 
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Neelakantan Krishnaswami   2007-03-05 21:14:02 
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John Morrow <morrow@[E  2007-03-05 16:16:34 
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Neelakantan Krishnaswami   2007-03-06 01:25:04 
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John Morrow <morrow@[E  2007-03-05 23:41:55 
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Neelakantan Krishnaswami   2007-03-06 18:30:03 
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Gary Johnson <zzjohnsg  2007-03-06 16:44:54 
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John Morrow <morrow@[E  2007-03-06 01:32:53 
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Russell Wallace <russe  2007-03-06 18:32:26 
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John Morrow <morrow@[E  2007-03-06 13:20:18 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2007-03-06 16:09:21 
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Erol K. Bayburt <ErolB  2007-03-06 19:10:17 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2007-03-07 06:41:19 
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"psychohist" &l  2007-03-07 09:32:11 
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John Morrow <morrow@[E  2007-03-07 11:46:32 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-03-07 18:30:22 
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Simon Smith <simon_smi  2007-03-08 16:52:47 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2007-03-07 11:02:56 
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"DougL" <lam  2007-03-07 11:10:37 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-03-07 19:35:16 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2007-03-07 11:18:58 
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John Morrow <morrow@[E  2007-03-07 15:08:47 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-03-08 00:44:58 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2007-03-07 13:27:26 
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"DougL" <lam  2007-03-08 08:26:35 
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Erol K. Bayburt <ErolB  2007-02-22 21:19:48 
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"psychohist" &l  2007-02-22 21:50:44 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2007-02-23 08:41:08 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2007-02-23 13:33:03 
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Russell Wallace <russe  2007-02-27 22:51:54 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2007-02-25 08:25:06 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-02-26 20:22:38 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2007-02-26 12:57:31 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2007-02-27 20:46:51 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-02-28 19:01:57 
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tussock <scrub@[EMAIL   2007-03-04 16:57:06 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2007-02-28 06:25:33 
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Erol K. Bayburt <ErolB  2007-03-02 02:47:42 
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Neelakantan Krishnaswami   2007-03-03 01:12:49 
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"psychohist" &l  2007-02-28 16:43:55 
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Russell Wallace <russe  2007-03-01 06:39:04 
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Russell Wallace <russe  2007-03-01 17:58:35 
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Neelakantan Krishnaswami   2007-03-01 18:46:42 
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Russell Wallace <russe  2007-03-01 19:04:02 
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Neelakantan Krishnaswami   2007-03-01 19:32:18 
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Russell Wallace <russe  2007-03-01 19:55:33 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2007-03-02 06:22:01 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-03-02 18:16:44 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2007-03-02 10:53:20 
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"psychohist" &l  2007-03-02 11:00:01 
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Russell Wallace <russe  2007-03-01 18:22:03 
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tussock <scrub@[EMAIL   2007-03-03 02:03:13 
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Russell Wallace <russe  2007-03-02 17:26:52 
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"DougL" <lam  2007-03-01 09:19:23 
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Beowulf Bolt <abd.al-h  2007-03-01 17:30:51 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2007-03-01 09:34:58 
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"psychohist" &l  2007-03-01 10:32:57 
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Russell Wallace <russe  2007-03-01 18:36:30 
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"gleichman" <  2007-03-01 11:18:02 
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Russell Wallace <russe  2007-03-01 19:49:39 
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Russell Wallace <russe  2007-03-01 19:54:15 
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Russell Wallace <russe  2007-03-01 20:49:06 
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"gleichman" <  2007-03-02 06:57:28 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2007-03-02 07:16:04 
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"psychohist" &l  2007-03-02 09:47:20 
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"gleichman" <  2007-03-02 11:43:50 
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