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Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid))

by mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mary K. Kuhner) Feb 7, 2007 at 07:06 PM

In article <1170862834.555001.5460@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
Will in New Haven <bill.reich@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>I think many moderns, including deists, strike the atheistic attitude
>in game settings because they are uncomfortable with being wor****ppers
>or followers of a game-world god. It doesn't help that many game-world
>pantheons have very unnatractive or silly gods. I speak as the creator
>of Duster, the Dwarven god of beer, who looks llike a Hobbit disguised
>as a Dwarf, so I know silly gods when I see them. Duster, on the other
>hand, has many player-character wor****ppers, so maybe this is all
>wrong.

You can go at least two ways with game-world gods.  You can make them
silly, so there is no way that the player's religious (or non-religious)
real-world attitudes will be engaged.  But it may be hard to take a PC
or NPC seriously if s/he wor****ps a goofy god.  Or you can make them
worthy of being taken seriously, and run the risk of getting into a fight
about player-world religions, or just plain making the players 
uncomfortable. 

Also, if such-and-such god is really the exemplar of Heroic Virtue, a 
lot is being asked of the GM's depiction--it only takes a few
less-than-Heroic 
decisions on the GM's part to make the god look like a cheat.  It's a
subset 
of the whole problem of playing characters who are extremely smart, or 
virtuous, or wise.  Of course, if the god stays offstage this doesn't
arise 
directly, but you may still have to show holy books/teachings/traditions 
which live up to the god, and that can be awfully hard.

I try to go the second way anyway, because I find religion one of the most
interesting things in a gameworld, and would feel cheated if it had to be
trivialized.  And luckily my own religious beliefs aren't very sensitive
about
this.  But it's a tough act to manage.

Glorantha stands head and shoulders above anything I've seen published
in terms of providing "real" game-world religions, even though it also
descends into silliness in spots.  Most other published work that deals
in religion in any detail goes for the "religion is a power-grabbing
scheme run for the benefit of either priests or gods", as in _The Primal 
Order_, which I don't find interesting at all.  Playing a sincerely
religious character in such a setting is an invitation to disappointment
and disillusionment, which is interesting to see once in a while, but
not as an inevitability.

Mary Kuhner mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 




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"Davou.w@[EMAIL PROT  2007-01-26 17:50:06 
Re: some help please (druid)
mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-01-28 21:55:47 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
Simon Smith <simon_smi  2007-02-08 00:42:57 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
"Eric P." <e  2007-02-07 19:43:01 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
Arthur Boff <arthur.bo  2007-02-08 11:33:00 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
"Eric P." <e  2007-02-08 16:54:41 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
Simon Smith <simon_smi  2007-02-08 15:19:08 
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"Eric P." <e  2007-02-08 17:03:29 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
Arthur Boff <arthur.bo  2007-02-08 17:09:29 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
"Eric P." <e  2007-02-08 10:51:00 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
Simon Smith <simon_smi  2007-02-08 20:15:35 
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"Eric P." <e  2007-02-09 02:07:10 
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"Davou.w@[EMAIL PROT  2007-01-30 04:53:10 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-01-30 22:07:40 
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"Eric P." <e  2007-02-01 01:38:29 
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"Nicole Massey"  2007-01-31 21:08:10 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2007-02-06 07:01:42 
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Thomas Lindgren <*****  2007-02-06 16:34:53 
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"Eric P." <e  2007-02-07 03:43:08 
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"Nicole Massey"  2007-02-06 20:34:25 
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Arthur Boff <arthur.bo  2007-02-07 13:13:42 
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"Eric P." <e  2007-02-07 07:26:16 
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Arthur Boff <arthur.bo  2007-02-07 15:33:18 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-02-07 18:55:25 
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Erol K. Bayburt <ErolB  2007-02-08 20:42:01 
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"Eric P." <e  2007-02-09 16:06:52 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-02-09 19:23:08 
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"Eric P." <e  2007-02-10 02:00:28 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid
Simon Smith <simon_smi  2007-02-10 02:48:00 
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Paul Colquhoun <postma  2007-02-07 07:29:04 
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tussock <scrub@[EMAIL   2007-02-09 00:12:45 
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"Eric P." <e  2007-02-08 16:52:56 
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Arthur Boff <arthur.bo  2007-02-08 17:11:43 
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"Eric P." <e  2007-02-08 10:42:49 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2007-02-06 07:20:33 
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mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-02-06 20:11:47 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
"Will in New Haven&q  2007-02-07 07:40:34 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
Thomas Lindgren <*****  2007-02-07 16:08:42 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
Neelakantan Krishnaswami   2007-02-08 03:10:34 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-02-07 19:06:05 
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"Eric P." <e  2007-02-07 23:29:44 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
"Will in New Haven&q  2007-02-07 08:24:55 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
"psychohist" &l  2007-02-07 09:43:37 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
"Eric P." <e  2007-02-07 23:36:52 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
"psychohist" &l  2007-02-07 09:49:55 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
"gleichman" <  2007-02-07 10:13:55 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
"Will in New Haven&q  2007-02-07 11:33:12 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
"psychohist" &l  2007-02-07 14:23:56 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
Arthur Boff <arthur.bo  2007-02-07 22:34:17 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
mkkuhner@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2007-02-07 23:35:23 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
"psychohist" &l  2007-02-07 16:29:44 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
Arthur Boff <arthur.bo  2007-02-08 11:30:10 
Re: Athiests in Fantasy Settings ( Was: some help please (druid)
"Will in New Haven&q  2007-02-08 06:08:18 
Re: Atheists in Fantasy Settings
"psychohist" &l  2007-02-08 10:00:34 
Re: some help please (druid)
"Will in New Haven&q  2007-02-08 10:22:11 
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"Eric P." <e  2007-02-08 10:43:58 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2007-02-08 10:52:07 
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sNOmSPAMs@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-02-09 19:24:57 

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