I'm sure laughing!
"Jim Burgess" <burgess@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Chris Babcock <cbabcock@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> writes:
>
>
> If you're playing no-press, communication MUST be somewhat constrained.
> You can't assume very much and generally miscommunication is more likely
> than successful communication. So I find England's comments incredibly
> arrogant as if there is ONLY one way to interpret what happened and how
> Turkey judged things. To name only one, perhaps Turkey thought that
> BECAUSE France moved on Turkey and England then backed off, England was
> handing Turkey the win on purpose because Turkey had been wronged as a
> lesson to France.
>
> Some people believe that ANY move to take a solo is justified, so be
> definition you cannot blame someone for taking a solo. England should
not
> have backed up to permit this. True 17-17 fought out draws happen not
by
> arrangement, but in the process of the game where either player WOULD
take
> a win if they could, but no such situation presents itself and then
people
> get to 17-17 lines.
>
> I was most amused by this End Game statement though. I expect Turkey
also
> is laughing.
>
> Jim-Bob
>
>>A no press game ends in a Turkish solo in F1925M. Here are the maps:
>
>>http://www.floc.net/observer.py?judge=USAK&game=fge00003&page=game
>
>>This is England's End of Game statement:
>
>>----------------
>
>>The last move of the game featured the most
>>dishonorable win I have ever witnessed. Turkey, shame
>>on you! After seeing what France did to you in Spring
>>1922 (move in on your supply centers when you had
>>retreated, clearly signaling a 3-way draw), you should
>>have known better how that is not the way to win!
>
>>I could have won the game had I moved in on you right
>>then, but decided that this would have been
>>dishonorable. Instead, I chose and succeeded in
>>puni****ng France for the uns****tsmanlike conduct
>>(while signaling my desire for a TWO-WAY draw by
>>withdrawing my forces from Russia, exactly the same
>>method you had chosen). What makes me upset isn't that
>>I lost the chance to win the game, but that of all
>>possible opponents, you, the victim of uns****tsmanlike
>>conduct yourself in the same game, pulled the same
>>cheap stunt yourself. A win should be the result of
>>brilliant play or an opponent's mistake, and not
>>moving in on a player when he is unfairly down. What
>>you did was like a mugging victim ending up mugging
>>the same person who defended her. And I know you won't
>>get this, but even in Diplomacy where lying and
>>stabbing are part of the game, there is a place for
>>honor.
>
>> I had a lot of respect for the way you had played
>>until the last move. A two-way draw in this game would
>>have been one of the most beautiful results in all the
>>games I have played (and I've won many, honorably).
>>But instead, you blew it! Your last move reminds me of
>>watching a graceful athlete win a game with wonderful
>>speed and agility, but then celebrating it with the
>>ugliest and most desperate taunting of his opponent.
>
>>----------------
>
>>Comments? Shame on Turkey, shame on England or shame on me? ;-)
>
>>Chris
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