> (-) wrote:
>> Let's adopt a rational approach. Surely Sam is not precluded
>> from contributing to wikipedia articles about himself.
<ttk5079@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> I am not talking about anything Sloan may have written about himself
> on Wikipedia. I refer to what he has said about myself and others.
The wikipedia accounts supply a history of sorts, of which
one consideration asks whether Sloan's remarks should be
retained. Yet if Sloan's remarks are not retained then we don't
obtain a trace of the history behind the alleged blacklisting of
chess book authors nor of Sloan's -barbarous- propensities.
Given http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chess_Life
how is it
today maintained that Sloan's perigrinations are not harmless?
There it may appear that his petard was hung by his own words.
... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sam_Sloan
Or not: http://samsloan.com/
>> I assume that you are Taylor Kingston.
> That is correct.
Yet, like Tom Dorsch, you are not a "notable person" for
purposes of a wikipedia biography, while Sam Sloan is.
>> ... I don't find any wikipedia
>> track that TK "masquerades as" Edward Winter. You're asking
>> me to locate something that you simply could locate for us?
> Now that you mention it, I was not able to find it myself, though it
> used to be there. The closest thing to it still on Wikipedia is this:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Accuracy_dispute
>
> Scan for "Edward Winter biography" and you will find some
> of what I'm talking about.
>
> Other Sloan falsehoods can be seen here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chess_Life
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hanon_Russell
>
> Virtually everything Sloan says about me in them is both
> derogatory and false.
And quite obviously so. Then why is Sloan not harmless?
>> If, as you say, wikipedia has accepted -some- of Sloan's
>> statements on its webpage(s) then Sloan must be following
>> the wikipedia edit discussion standards -some- of the time.
>> I find your glittering overgenerality slanderous and disingenuous.
> As I recall, most of what Sloan tried to put on Wikipedia got
> taken down. In the above Winter-related link his original bio
> of Winter is rightly described as a "disaster." If he did happen
> to follow Wikipedia standards now and then, it's rather like
> a stopped clock being right twice a day.
>
> I am sorry if facts upset you.
Now you state that "most ... got taken down." Yet this is
not quite the same as your earlier claim that Sloan "never
followed" the wikipedia edit discussion standards. I accept
your present revision, though nobody emerges unsilled here.
>> I don't find slanders from Sloan in the recent thread exchanges.
> I'm not sure if what he says qualifies legally as slander, but
> derogatory falsehoods flow from him continually. Also self-
> aggrandizing falsehoods, like his claim to have won the world
> champion****p of Chinese chess.
It appears that he had corrected his own misstatement, though
now it seems that his corrections still do not suffice for something.
Doesn't make such claims on his webpage -- won 1988, lost 1990:
http://www.samsloan.com/electsam.htm
This is all rather mystifying. Shouldn't it be regarded as some sort
of an achievement to win a World Chinese Chess Champion****p
among non-Chinese contenders?
> Most of us here on the chess newsgroups don't care for that
> (Larry Parr being a notable exception). As the great Emanuel
> Lasker said, "On the chess board, lies and hypocrisy do not last
> long." Unfortunately they get stored indefinitely in the Google
> archives, but those of us who care about factual accuracy do
> what we can to refute them.
Your energy at refutation seems misplaced and misdirected
when all you need do is cite a number of wikipedia URLs... :-)
Now, with regards to alleged "blacklisting" at USCF: could
a suitable solution have included books by Anatoly Karpov, and
others, with suitably high price tags associated with rare-to-find
and/or out-of-print? If Amazon.Com can list them why couldn't
the USCF list them, even at markup? If some authors are no
longer regarded as sterling examples perhaps they could also
be listed as anachronisms. Why not apply policies of "social
inclusion," "appeasement," "accomodation," & be done with it?
- regards
- jb
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