On May 21, 5:22 pm, jkh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> ttk5...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 21, 5:35=EF=BF=BDpm, "Chess One" <OneCh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > <ttk5...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> >
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> > > On May 21, 7:49 am, David Richerby <dav...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > > wrote:
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> > > > Chess One <OneCh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > > > I made the simple statement that this was the highest category
US
> > > > > tournament
>
> > > > Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt! You wrote, `Strongest ever US Tournament'. It's
> > > > still there on the web at
>
> > >
>http://www.chessville.com/Editorials/AlekhinesParrot/archive_2008Q2.h=
tm
>
> > > > I quote it in its entirety (my emphasis):
>
> > > > Coming up later this Year -- **Strongest ever US Tournament**
>
> > > > September 19th to 28th sees a [so far] Category 15 tournament on
US
> > > > soil in the 10 player SPICE CUP. Seven of the 10 invitees have
> > > > already signed up, and I understand average Elo is currently 2600.
> > > > Chessville's senior editor Kelly Atkins recently visited the SPICE
> > > > campus at Lubbock and will make an extended re****t on its current
> > > > and future activities.
>
> > > =EF=BF=BD It would appear that Mr. Hillery had a valid point. To
call =
this the
> > > "strongest ever US tournament" seems a definite exaggeration, in
terms=
> > > of the rankings (rather than the ratings) of the players.
>
> > > **Mr Hillery argues some point about 'rankings' not ratings? Qhat
then=
is
> > > his 'point'?
>
> > > =EF=BF=BDHere is the
> > > list of prospective contestants Innes posted a day or two ago:
>
> > > GM Onischuk, Alexander 2728 USCF / 2663 FIDE
> > > GM Akobian, Varuzhan 2666 USCF / 2612 FIDE
> > > GM Kaidanov, Gregory 2697 USCF / 2611 FIDE
> > > GM Becerra, Julio 2644 USCF / 2601 FIDE
> > > GM Kritz, Leonid 2667 USCF / 2600 FIDE
> > > GM Miton, Kamil 2703 USCF / 2581 FIDE
> > > GM Perelshteyn, Eugene 2623 USCF / 2549 FIDE
>
> > > =EF=BF=BD Of these, only Onischuk is even in the FIDE top 100, at
#56.=
In
> > > contrast, New York 1924 had the world's #1, 2, and 3, and several of
> > > the top 10 or 20. At New York 1927 all but one of the players were
in
> > > the top 10 or 12 of the time and it had the clear #1 and #2.
>
> > > **These are US Rankings, not ratings, understood.
>
> > No, Phil, those are *_world_* rankings. How high each player ranks
> > in the whole world, not just one country. I thought you knew the
> > difference between FIDE and USCF.
>
> > > But again, his point?
>
> > Well, _my_ point is that a tournament whose best player is only #56
> > in the world, and which has no one else even in the top 100, has no
> > business claiming it's "stronger" than tournaments that included the
> > likes of world's top three and many others from the top 10 or 20.
>
> At the risk of again confusing the easily confused Phil Innes as to
> which of us is which -- that's a fair summary.
That's my point as well. Taylor did a better job of explaining it than
I did.
Now, if you use enough
> weasel words, and define the question as "the strongest tournament
> held in the U.S. and consisting entirely of U.S. citizens or
> residents," it might qualify (though I'd like to see some confirmation
> on Kritz). But that's not what he said. Admittedly, it's often
> impossible to determine what Philsy _meant_.
Whatever meaning allows him to pose as an expert on a given topic.
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