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Re: ****rov's Sad Saga

by "parrthenon@[EMAIL PROTECTED] " <parrthenon@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 5, 2008 at 06:33 AM

ANTI-SOVIET HOLY WATER

<Idiots like Parr will randomly choose arguments that
suit their momentary purpose, e.g. one moment the Soviets
are discriminating against Jewish players, the next
moment they favor a Jewish player over an ethnic
Russian. Most likely the political potentates didn't
pay any more attention to the silly squabbles among
chess players in the USSR than they did in the USA
or elsewhere.> -- Juergen

Juergen does not like unpleasants truths about the
late, unlamented Soviet Union.  He has likely yet to
recover from the mass demonstrations throughout
Russia and Eastern Europe that finally ended communism
east of the Elbe.

We re****ted what Korchnoi said about chess
players in the Soviet Union learning widely about his
defection when Pravda, Izvestia and other Soviet
propaganda vehicles would be forced to re****t on
his candidates' matches.

Juergen's response was a lulu.  Soviet players on the
scene in Biel, Switzerland heard the news. Hence the
news would spread throughout the USSR like wildfire.

Nonsense.  Korchnoi was not talking about limited
chess circles; his reference was evidently to, say,
the 60 or so closed major Soviet cities of that period
to which travel was difficult, if not impossible, for
outsiders. Korchnoi was speaking of chess
players throughout the vast hinterland of the USSR.

       We should not take pleasure in provoking a
creature such as our Juergen by tossing anti-soviet
holy water on the man and hearing the hissing as he
burns.  Regrettably, we are not totally unamused by
the man's knee-jerk, very old-fa****oned pro-Sovietism.

       We thought his type had ceased to exist,
especially in the USSR but also throughout most of
Western Europe.  Evidently there are still isolated examples.

       Juergen est; ergo, Juergen est.

Yours, Larry Parr





J=FCrgen R. wrote:
> "help bot" <nomorechess@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>
news:2072ef3b-ff70-4fae-a7e6-52b6e9f1a5cd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On May 1, 6:26 pm, J?rgen R. <jurg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > >> GM Yasser Seirawan, when asked if he ever saw any evidence of this
in=

> > >> his own experience, said: "His charge is absolutely true! I've seen
i=
t
> > >> happen. Soviet stars were expected to finish behind Karpov and I
saw
> > >> Polugaevsky throw away an easy draw against him in this simple
> > >> endgame.
> >
> > >  I went to chessgames.com and replayed this game.
> >
> > >  It seemed to me that GM Polugaevsky gave GM
> > > Karpov a very difficult time-- forcing him onto defense
> > > for much of the game.  However, at the very, very
> > > finish, it is not clear how or why the "1-0" score was
> > > achieved, since the position is drawn.  Was there a
> > > flag fall?  Did some idiot *resign*, where even the
> > > GetClub program might have held the draw?
> >
> > The position is lost for Black after 53. -- Nxa5 but is
> > drawn after 53. -- Nd4.
>
>
>   That is an ordinary mistake.  What I was looking
> for was an "obvious", game-throwing blunder in an
> "easily drawn" position.
>
>   I erred in thinking it was a draw at the very finish;
> White wins by force, and this explains GM
> Polugaevsky's resignation.
>
>   Back to 53. ... Nd4+ though: I've seen far worse
> oversights by grandmasters; one fairly recent
> example was then-world champion Kramnik
> overlooking a mate-in-one which many weak
> players might well have seen.  It is ludicrous to
> assert intentions where such things exist, as in
> fact they do.  It is simply arrogance to maintain
> that grandmasters are error-free chess machines.
> In the real world (not Evans ratpacker La-la land),
> everyone makes such mistakes-- even the world
> champions.
>
>
>   -- help bot
>
> _________________________________________
>
> Yes, of course: The mistake is most likely due to loss
> of concentration, since the endgame is easily drawn and
> the game finished.
>
> All these conspiracy theories are absurd: Chess
> players sometimes make mistakes, and occasionally
> grand masters make mistakes that beginners would
> avoid.
>
> The idea that there wasn't enormous competition
> among the Soviet players is just as silly as to believe that the
> top players don't often agree to quick and easy
> draws.
>
> Idiots like Parr will randomly choose arguments that
> suit their momentary purpose, e.g. one moment the Soviets
> are discriminating against Jewish players, the next
> moment they favor a Jewish player over an ethnic
> Russian. Most likely the political potentates didn't
> pay any more attention to the silly squabbles among
> chess players in the USSR than they did in the USA
> or elsewhere.
>
> An extreme example of chess blindness is the game
> Huebner-Petrosian in the Biel Interzonal 1976. I
> actually watched this game live. Petrosian was
> totally lost when he makes a completely unexpected
> attacking move, after which H. has a simple mate
> in 3 or 4. But instead H. defends and makes an
> unbelievable sequence of blunders until he loses...
 




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"parrthenon@[EMAIL P  2008-04-29 17:31:15 
Another Silly Ploy
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-04-29 18:44:26 
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