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Re: The Match That Wasn't

by "parrthenon@[EMAIL PROTECTED] " <parrthenon@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 5, 2008 at 05:09 AM

THE WORLD ACCORDING TO GREG

<Harping on this semantic quibble is just making you look
silly. Well, sillier.> -- John Hillery

>Calling me "silly" is well, just plain silly; it's name-calling...
 Saying that Larry Evans' account is accurate, is akin to
 saying that Sanny's program plays according to the rules.
You can't put lipstick  on a pig.> -- Greg Kennedy.

 Greg can dish it out but he can't take it.

The Indiana Kid frequently calls other people names.
He called  Kasparov a  "cheater" (which Guy Macon
refuted by quoting the pertinent rule) and falsely attributed
to "Evans ratpackers" an eyewitness account by Seirawan
(who played at Tilburg 1983) that Karpov induced Polugaievsky
to throw an easily drawn ending to him AFTER adjournment.
 It was just "an ordinary mistake" claims Greg who, like Jurgen,
seems to think Karpov can do no wrong. Greg's enemies list
is headed by Evans, Kasparov and Keene who, according to
him, can do no right.

John Hillery accurately notes that FIDE asked Fischer
to defend that organization's world title as the reigning
champion in 1975, so FIDE itself evidently still regarded
Fischer as its champion. Even FIDE's own records list
him as its official titleholder from 1972-1975, but facts
seldom interfere with Greg's distortion of history.

 Given Greg Kennedy's logic that FIDE's title is
its to dispense and dispose as that organization so
deems, then our Greg proves Hillery's case that Evans
 got it right that Fischer, in effect, defaulted the world title
 to Karpov.  For Bobby still possessed it IF, as Greg says,
the title resides with the person FIDE so deems.

 Greg was obviously unaware of FIDE's position.
The universal experience with Greg is that history is
to him terra incognita -- whether the subject under
discussion is the political borders of Europe
("Bismarck who or Poland what?" as he might ask) or
the number of American world chess champions.  (In his
innocence, Greg did not even know that Steinitz was an
American world chess champion.)

 In the current discussion Greg did not realize that
 FIDE continued to recognize Bobby Fischer as its
champion after he wrote his resignation letter in 1974.

 Greg is not just silly. He's obtuse.

Yours, Larry Parr



help bot wrote:
> On May 5, 1:06 am, jkh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>
> > FIDE apparently didn't think so.
> > In June of 1975, they asked Fischer
> > to play Karpov _as World Champion_.
>
>   Losing the thread; we all agree that the winner of
> the previous FIDE world champion****p cycle was
> Bobby Fischer, and that if he had played, he
> would have been given pretty nearly anything he
> wanted, just as in 1972.
>
>
> > Fischer's refusal to play that
> > match -- as he and everyone else knew -- had the _effect_ of making
> > Karpov World Champion.
>
>   Indeed.  So, what is your point?
>
>
> > There are plenty of reasons for criticizing
> > Evans, but harping on this semantic quibble is just making you look
> > silly. Well, sillier.
>
>   In my view, you look rather daft in that you
> can't get past this freaky ratpacker bias thing.
>
>   It's 2008 AD, and yet some folks are akin to
> frozen cadavers from the Cold War era; hence
> the observation by Jurgen that their biases are
> "antiquated"; the fact is, we have moved well
> beyond the old biases and are now ba****ng
> Russia's Mr. Putin, Venezuela's Mr. Chavez
> and *China*.  Life goes on, with or without the
> frozen cadaver mindset.
>
>   Calling me "silly" is well, just plain silly; it's
> name-calling, and most folks will conclude --
> rightly or wrongly -- that you abandoned
> reason in favor of /ad hominem/ because you
> must have not had any other choice.
>
>   The organization known as FIDE controlled
> the FIDE title-- whether the Evans ratpackers
> like it or not.  Nothing can change that-- not
> even stubbornness and denial (regardless of
> quantity).  In much the same way, the USCF
> controlled Chess Lies magazine; it may be
> unpalatable, but it remains a fact of life.
>
>   As for criticizing Larry Evans, it appears
> that others have beaten me to it; when the
> old man "had a cow" over some pedantic
> corrections to a couple of his gaffes, he
> poured gasoline on the flames, spurring Mr.
> Winter to do a write-up in which numerous
> such errors were laid out, side by side.  I can
> not even hope to compete with such work as
> that, since it would require too much time
> and effort.  Besides, I only have a few of all
> the issues of Chess Lies magazine, so it
> would be a piecemeal job.
>
>   Saying that Larry Evans' account is accurate,
> is akin to saying that Sanny's program plays
> according to the rules.  You can't put lipstick
> on a pig.
>
>
>   -- help bot
 




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