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Re: Zebediah win against the Advance Level, Please Analyze?

by Sanny <softtanks@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 3, 2008 at 10:16 PM

On May 4, 12:04=A0am, help bot <nomorech...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On May 3, 1:56 am, Sanny <softta...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > A week back Zebediah used to win in 20-30 moves but now the GetClubs
> > game was a bit improved now Zebediah takes 35 moves to win against the
> > Advance Level.
>
> =A0 That was just one game; you can't draw sweeping
> conclusions from the lengths of single games.

Actually Last 2 games First he took 40 moves to win and in second game
he took 35 moves to win against Advance Level. Earlier he used to win
in 20-30 moves. So I see +10 moves needed for him to win after the Bug
was removed.

> > If you can spot any mistake in GetClubs game I can improve it further.
>
> > Please see the game and let me know which were the moves that were
> > wrong.
>
> =A0 The GetClub program neglects normal piece development
> in favor of marauding Queen moves. =A0This is a hallmark of
> most weak /human/ players as well.

Yes, I will look into that and see why it does that.

> > Advance Level thinks for 30 min/ move So it is very difficult for me
> > to find mistakes in Advance level game. Anyone having Commercial
> > program please do the analysis and let me know which were the moves
> > which were wrong byGetClubthat Zebediah managed to win in just 34
> > moves.
>
> =A0 Rather than try to pinpoint specific moves, it may
> help to simply point out that in this loss, just as in
> many, many others, the program "forgot" to develop
> its King-side pieces and castle. =A0The result is that
> much of the game if fought with just half its army.

Ok I will see if that can be corrected.

> > I do not understand how zebediah manages to win Advance in just 35-40
> > Moves?
>
> =A0 Zeb is quite obviously using some otherchess
> program.

It is because of Zrb I am able to improve the game further as he is
able to kill the program with ease.

> > After analyzing the game with Computer have you found any mistake in
> > Advance Levels Game?
>
> =A0 It doesn't require a computer to do that. =A0One move
> that was sub-optimal is 34. ...Qxc6. =A0Generally
> speaking, one should always avoid allowing one's
> King to be captured for no reason.

Since the game Resigned at 34th move Actually Advance has found a Mate
in 10 or 12 and in such cases all moves are of equal score.

> > Is it making Tactical Mistakes or it is doing Strategy Mistake. Please
> > Explain the mistake So that I really undersatand what went wrong.
>
> =A0 Oh dear, that is a very tall order.

Thanks for your help. I will update the program and lets see if it can
play a bit better with the suggestions you made.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

> =A0 You need to coax the program into developing its
> pieces and bringing its King to safety, instead of
> chasing after spite-checks and wild tactical
> skirmishes, the result of which is very unclear.
>
> =A0 For instance, a while back you explained that the
> reason it was losing via N-g5, Nxf7 suicide attacks
> was that you gave a large bonus for spite-checks,
> which of course was backfiring against decent
> opponents (although it might work against weaker
> ones).

That was because of a bug and that bug has been removed 5 days back.

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html

> =A0 I wouldn't worry too much about losing to Zeb'schessprogram;
> for all we know, it could be one of
> the strongest in the world, and even if the Rybka
> program were "****ted" to Java, you would still
> lose on processing speed.

I am glad Zebediah is using his strong program to play with GetClub So
that I may find weakness in GetClubs game. I think with the
improvements you sugested the game will further continue +10. And
Zebediah will need 40-50 moves to win against the Advance Level.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
 




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Zebediah win against the Advance Level, Please Analyze?
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-02 22:56:16 
Re: Zebediah win against the Advance Level, Please Analyze?
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-03 12:04:42 
Re: Zebediah win against the Advance Level, Please Analyze?
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-03 22:16:59 
Re: Zebediah win against the Advance Level, Please Analyze?
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-03 23:01:49 
Help Bot Advice adopted.
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-03 23:48:47 
Re: Help Bot Advice adopted.
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-04 00:23:46 
Re: Help Bot Advice adopted.
Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-08 09:37:02 
Re: Zebediah win against the Advance Level, Please Analyze?
zzz <ik_ben_piet_snot@  2008-05-04 10:40:38 
Re: Zebediah win against the Advance Level, Please Analyze?
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-04 10:50:26 
Re: Help Bot Advice adopted.
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-04 20:38:25 
Re: Zebediah win against the Advance Level, Please Analyze?
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-04 21:01:49 
Re: Zebediah win against the Advance Level, Please Analyze?
Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-07 12:30:51 
Re: Zebediah win against the Advance Level, Please Analyze?
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-07 09:38:44 
Re: Help Bot Advice adopted.
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-07 14:40:17 
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Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-08 22:19:06 
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Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-09 10:14:25 
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help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-09 00:45:27 
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"chipschap@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-09 08:18:00 
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Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-09 09:57:41 
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Patrick Volk <pjvolk@[  2008-05-11 18:15:36 
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Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-12 08:38:04 
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Patrick Volk <pjvolk@[  2008-05-12 23:05:33 
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help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-09 13:48:13 
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Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-09 21:54:34 
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Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-10 14:37:23 
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help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-09 23:27:06 
Re: Zebediah win against the Advance Level, Please Analyze?
"Wlodzimierz Holszty  2008-05-09 23:30:54 
Re: Zebediah win against the Advance Level, Please Analyze?
"Wlodzimierz Holszty  2008-05-10 01:15:32 
Re: Zebediah win against the Advance Level, Please Analyze?
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-10 03:05:32 
Re: Zebediah win against the Advance Level, Please Analyze?
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-10 04:32:18 

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