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Re: The Match That Wasn't

by help bot <nomorechess@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 3, 2008 at 12:53 PM

On May 2, 9:36 am, The Historian <neil.thehistor...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> > >. Alas, his selfmate returned the title to the Soviets without a
fight.

> > That is not a selfmate, it is a helpmate. Doesn't Evans at least know
> > how to use chess language properly?

> I believe Evans is using "selfmate" as a word-play on "suicide", the
> old name for such problems. He means Fischer killed himself as
> Champion through his actions. I think it's hair-splitting to argue
> over the subtleties of the term as used here. But you appear to be
> correct. Technically a self-mate requires White to force Black to mate
> him against Black's will - the moves are forced.  I don't think the
> Soviets were unwilling to take the Champion****p title.


  Can you explain the part about "against his will"?
What sort of opponent in chess would have the will
to not win?  In a chess problem, how is there any
"will" involved whatever?


  One other term which springs to mind is a "duck";
this term may be even older than "suicide", and it
certainly applies in many cases with regard to the
world chess champion****p.  Just look, for instance,
at the real reason BF never wrote any more chess
books: *fear* of getting caught in an analytical error.
This kind of irrationality and exaggerated fear may
have been the true culprit; the silly demands and
antics merely the visible signs.


  -- help bot
 




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The Match That Wasn't
"parrthenon@[EMAIL P  2008-05-02 06:03:51 
Re: The Match That Wasn't
SBD <DrDowd@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-02 06:15:19 
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The Historian <neil.th  2008-05-02 06:36:11 
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"parrthenon@[EMAIL P  2008-05-02 06:37:34 
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ttk5079@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-02 06:40:23 
Re: The Match That Wasn't
David Richerby <davidr  2008-05-02 15:39:43 
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"parrthenon@[EMAIL P  2008-05-02 07:30:28 
Re: The Match That Wasn't
ttk5079@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-02 07:38:01 
Re: The Match That Wasn't
David Richerby <davidr  2008-05-02 16:19:13 
Re: The Match That Wasn't
SBD <DrDowd@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-02 12:05:22 
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SBD <DrDowd@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-02 12:07:07 
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SBD <DrDowd@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-02 12:09:49 
Re: The Match That Wasn't
"David Kane" &l  2008-05-02 12:25:05 
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Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-05-02 12:43:39 
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Mike Murray <mikemurra  2008-05-02 13:05:25 
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"parrthenon@[EMAIL P  2008-05-03 10:36:13 
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help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-03 12:53:24 
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"goma@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-03 13:01:43 
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help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-03 13:10:10 
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help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-03 13:32:42 
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help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-03 13:41:39 
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jkh001@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-04 01:34:07 
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"parrthenon@[EMAIL P  2008-05-04 15:56:22 
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R  2008-05-05 12:07:13 
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"parrthenon@[EMAIL P  2008-05-04 20:06:47 
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help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-04 21:23:57 
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jkh001@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-04 22:06:35 
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"Chess One" <  2008-05-05 08:15:38 
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help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-04 23:36:04 
Re: The Match That Wasn't
"parrthenon@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 05:09:40 
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"parrthenon@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 05:54:57 
Re: The Match That Wasn't
samsloan <samhsloan@[E  2008-05-05 06:04:16 
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help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-05 14:38:55 
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help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-05 14:55:20 
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"Chess One" <  2008-05-09 14:02:31 
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"parrthenon@[EMAIL P  2008-05-05 21:30:40 
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help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-09 15:16:39 
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"Chess One" <  2008-05-10 10:19:48 
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"parrthenon@[EMAIL P  2008-05-09 17:30:01 
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help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-09 19:05:20 
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"Chess One" <  2008-05-10 14:02:57 
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"parrthenon@[EMAIL P  2008-05-09 23:28:31 
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R  2008-05-10 12:04:01 
Re: The Match That Wasn't
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-10 04:02:13 
Re: The Match That Wasn't
The Historian <neil.th  2008-05-10 08:02:11 
Re: The Match That Wasn't
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-10 16:40:51 
Re: The Match That Wasn't
"parrthenon@[EMAIL P  2008-05-10 19:27:28 
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R  2008-05-11 15:00:44 
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"Chess One" <  2008-05-12 07:47:02 
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=?Windows-1252?Q?J=FCrgen  2008-05-12 16:26:36 
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"Chess One" <  2008-05-12 10:55:44 
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=?Windows-1252?Q?J=FCrgen  2008-05-12 18:55:01 
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"Chess One" <  2008-05-15 09:58:51 
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"Chess One" <  2008-05-15 10:02:11 
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help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-10 21:48:27 
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help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-12 21:18:59 
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"parrthenon@[EMAIL P  2008-05-13 06:56:10 

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