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Re: It is Strange

by help bot <nomorechess@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 3, 2008 at 12:21 PM

On May 2, 4:28 am, Sanny <softta...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> I remember once GetClub had 2 bishop and it was unable to give the
> Mate and Help Bot had to resign. Then Help Bot Complained this game is
> draw and I had to Resign to finish the game.
>
> So now when Opponent has 2 Bishops Left I declared it a draw.
>
> Now, you are saying It is a Win?

  Sanny, it is a draw by the fifty-moves rule or by
the threefold repetition of position rule if neither
side makes headway-- as in *that game*.


> If I give it a Win in your case then why not give it a win for
> GetClubs case.

  I don't want you to "give me" a win; I was cheated
out of the op****tunity to finish the game according
to the rules of chess.  Had it not wrongly declared
the game over, I would very quickly have won.  Note
that my King was already in the center, the enemy
King already trapped to one side-- this means I
need not worry over the fifty-moves draw rule at all
(as I would if we started from the worst-case
position).


> Same situation both player has to be given same set of rules.

  No illegal interventions?



> If having 2 Bishops is draw when GetClub have them, then same is true
> for the Opponent.

  No.  It is a win, no matter who has the two
Bishops.  But you can't butt in and declare the
game won (or drawn); a game is between two
players.  "No progress" will eventually result in
a draw, in accordance with the rules of chess.



> Moreove when the Game is Drawn your Rating is not affected. So in such
> case atleast you do not loose any point.

  What about my record?  The display indicates
that I have "lost" or "drawn" many, many games
which in fact were wins or draws for me.  And I
don't believe you about the no-effect on ratings
part.  I expect I could refute that claim easily, if
it really mattered (which it doesn't).


  The rules (i.e. "laws") of chess are very complex,
and THAT is certainly no fault of Sanny's.  I just
wish he would at least *try* to accommodate the
actual rules, and not always "err" in the direction
of bogus wins or draws for his program.  It reminds
me of the bogus claims that the GetClub program
is better than Rybka, that it has been "improved"
after each failure, and so forth.  It all smacks of
rank dishonesty; perhaps Sanny is trying to earn
his way into the Evans ratpack?   Or maybe this
is all a bizarre experiment in psychology-- how
will people react to this or that lunacy... .


  -- help bot
 




 33 Posts in Topic:
Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-04-26 22:57:42 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-04-28 01:19:26 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-04-29 23:02:42 
Re: It is Strange
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-07 17:41:43 
Re: It is Strange
Patrick Volk <pjvolk@[  2008-05-11 13:51:28 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-04-29 23:50:30 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-04-30 13:01:20 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-01 08:44:03 
Re: It is Strange
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-05-12 02:27:46 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-04-30 22:22:17 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-01 08:56:50 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-01 00:04:25 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-01 01:20:00 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Kenneth Sloan <Kenneth  2008-05-01 08:59:39 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Kenneth Sloan <Kenneth  2008-05-01 14:20:36 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
"chipschap@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-01 07:01:20 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-01 12:12:49 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-01 12:18:52 
It is Strange
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-02 01:28:20 
Re: It is Strange
Kenneth Sloan <Kenneth  2008-05-02 21:52:29 
Re: It is Strange
Patrick Volk <pjvolk@[  2008-05-07 20:03:51 
Re: It is Strange
Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-02 02:09:12 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-02 22:46:35 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-02 22:47:17 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Kenneth Sloan <Kenneth  2008-05-03 10:20:05 
Re: It is Strange
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-02 22:48:12 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-02 22:49:04 
Re: It is Strange
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-03 12:21:06 
Re: It is Strange
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-03 12:25:11 
Re: It is Strange
Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-07 04:48:58 
Re: It is Strange
Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-07 06:59:02 
Re: It is Strange
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-07 09:44:33 
Re: It is Strange
Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-07 18:03:06 

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