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Re: Another Silly Ploy

by Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com/> Apr 30, 2008 at 09:41 AM

help bot wrote:
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>"parrthe...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"wrote:
>
>> The rules of the game are clear, concise, and consistent. If you touch
>> a piece, you must move it. If your hand quits the piece, the move
>> stands. If your hand is still on it, then you can change your mind and
>> move it elsewhere. But move it you must.
>> Since the rules specify that a protest must be lodged during play,
>
>Nonsense.

You yelling "Nonsense" does not change the rules of chess, 
which clearly state:

4.7 A player forfeits his right to a claim against his 
    opponent`s violation of Article 4.3 or 4.4, once he 
    deliberately touches a piece.

Source: http://fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=EE101

Judit Polgar made her next move without making any such 
claim.  It would have been a violation of the rules if
the arbiter had examined the video tape and ruled against
Kasparov after Polgar made her next move.  It would have
been a serious breach of professional ethics if he had 
shown any sort of reaction that would indicate that this
was in any way different from any other move.

>Apparently, to the Evans ratpack, 

I don't know Evans and certainly am not part of any 
"ratpack." 


Reference:


From [ http://www.controltheweb.com/polgar/
]:

Transcript of incident from video analysis (7:50-11:39) of
the Polgar-Kasparov game during the time pressure incident:

"But what actually happens here is Kasparov touched his
knight, and made a move with his knight to c5. And then he
saw if he moves there there would be Bc6 skewing the queen
and rook, which result would most likely be a loss for
Kasparov. So he changed his move ... he moved his knight to
f8.

"But the problem was when he moved, he let go of the piece.
Judit Polgar saw this, and she was stunned. She looked at
the arbiter and there was no response from him. She made a
mistake and didn't disupte this, didn't claim that Kasparov
had let go of the piece. That move should have been final,
and the most probable result would most likely been a
Kasparov loss.

"Afraid her claim would have lost, and she would have been
penalized time on the clock, and they were in time pressure.
She should have established a claim and won that game. The
actual event was recorded on camera, and saw that Kasparov
let go of the Knight on c5, for less than a second.

"After that, she never shook hands with Kasparov for a few
years, whenever they met."


What Judit says:

"Kasparov touched a knight in our 1994 Linares game and
didn't move with this piece afterwards. Unfortunately there
were no witnesses and also the arbiter was not there. There
was a video tape which they didn't show me. We didn't talk
for a long time after that."

- From an August, 1996 interview with Martin Raubal (Scroll
down to bottom of interview)


The Wa****ngton Post/Kavalek:

"In 1994 in Linares, Spain, Kasparov played a knight move
against Judit Polgar and removed his fingers from that
piece. But after he saw that he might lose material, he took
the knight back and made a different move. His act was
caught on camera by a Spanish television crew."
- Excerpted from Wa****ngton Post Chess (Kavalek) July 3,
2000; Page C13 (removed from Archive.org)


The Campbell Re****t:

"An interesting example of taking back moves at the highest
level of OTB chess occurred recently at the elite 1994
Linares super tournament (see p. 20 of the April 4, 1994
issue of Inside Chess for a fuller re****t). It's claimed
that there is video tape showing that PCA World Champion
Garry Kasparov, while playing Judit Polgar, moved a knight
to a square which would have cost him the exchange.

"Apparently, even though he had released the piece, he
picked it up again and moved it to another square and went
on to win the game. So even players at the top can be
tempted.

"My favorite quote picked up by Yasser Seirawan was by FIDE
President Florencio Campomanes who is re****ted to have said,
"What do you expect from an unrated player?" For those who
missed it, FIDE removed both Kasparov and Nigel Short from
their rating list when they played their world champion****p
match under the PCA instead of FIDE."
- Excerpted from The Campbell Re****t - May/June 1994 (scroll
down to bottom of re****t)


Chess author and NM Macon ****but:

"For the sake of argument, let's stipulate that Kasparov
cheated, plain and simple. It was something that happened in
the blink of an eye under pressure of the competitive
situation. That does not excuse what he did in any way, but
in light of the cir***stances it's possible that he has
convinced himself that the infraction didn't occur. Still,
in his heart of hearts, I think he knows.

"But the real scandal is not Kasparov's disgrace, any more
than we consider it an outrage if a football player throws
an illegal block when the referee is not looking. The real
scandal is the action of the tournament controller, who
apparently had videotape evidence and did not forfeit
Kasparov."
- Kasparov-Polgar Linares `94 touch move controversy
discussed at All Experts.com


The Hindu/Arvind Aaron:

"(Judit) was close to beating (Kasparov) in Linares 1994
(when) Kasparov blundered, (then) took back the move at
lightning speed and swiftly made another to win."
- Excerpted from The Hindu "An icon of women's chess 
"- June 3, 2000



From Commentary on the 2006 Women's World Chess
Champion****p:

"At Harvard in 1990, some remember Kasparov saying something
such as "A computer will beat me before a woman will." (Ed
Note: Max Euwe was the first world champion to lose to a
woman.)

"Well, he was proven correct -- but not, I think, in quite
the way he wanted. He eventually did lose a match to a
computer, and it's one of the last things he may be
remembered for. And he avoided losing a game to woman Judit
Polgar only by cheating on camera.

"Kasparov is a genius among geniuses in chess. Did he cheat
against Polgar? Yes, he cheated."



Full (print) re****t on the incident:
April 4, 1994 print issue of Inside Chess, page 20.


-- 
Guy Macon
<http://www.guymacon.com/>
 




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