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Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level

by help bot <nomorechess@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 29, 2008 at 11:02 PM

On Apr 27, 1:57 am, Sanny <softta...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> Below is a decent game, But in the end Help Bot was a pawn ahead. I
> found at move 17... Nf6xe4 Help Bot took the Pawn. Was there any way
> for Normal Level to save that Pawn, As all moves were forced moves.
>
> Game Played between help bot and normal at GetClub.com
>
>
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> help bot: (Black)
> normal: (White)
> Game Played at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
> View Recorded
Game:http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM19732&game=Chess
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> White -- Black
> (normal) -- (help bot)
>
> 1. d2-d4{0} d7-d6{14}
> 2. Qd1-d3{138} g7-g6{52}


  The Queen should not be "developed" before the
minor pieces without good reason.  Sooner or later,
she will come under fire and be forced to retreat,
at a loss of time.


> 3. d4-d5{116} Bf8-g7{24}
> 4. Nb1-c3{92} Ng8-f6{46}
> 5. Ng1-f3{84} Ke8-g8{10}
> 6. e2-e4{180} c7-c5{112}
> 7. Bf1-e2{200} Nb8-a6{46}
> 8. Ke1-g1{82} Na6-c7{88}
> 9. h2-h3{158} Ra8-b8{64}
> 10. Bc1-e3{252} b7-b5{28}
> 11. a2-a3{224} a7-a5{140}
> 12. Ra1-a2{84} Bc8-d7{208}


  The program often plays its Rooks to stupid
squares, as it did here.  (If there is a tactical
problem with the pawn on b2, it should be
covered some other way.)


> 13. Nf3-g5{278} b5-b4{22}


  This is where the program hung a pawn to a very
simple combination.


> 14. Nc3-b1{136} Bd7-b5{102}
> 15. Qd3-d1{84} h7-h6{26}
> 16. Be2-b5{80} Nc7-b5{22}
> 17. Ng5-f3{114} Nf6-e4{20}
> 18. Qd1-d3{158} Ne4-f6{28}
> 19. c2-c4{206} Nb5-c7{44}
> 20. b2-b3{132} Rb8-a8{36}
> 21. Be3-f4{192} Qd8-d7{60}
> 22. Ra2-e2{132} Rf8-e8{58}
> 23. Rf1-e1{112} Nc7-a6{54}


  My computer thinks I threw away my advantage
with all these crazy Knight moves, but I see that
I still have a pawn more, regardless.


> 24. Re2-e3{158} Ra8-a7{64}
> 25. a3-a4{158} Na6-c7{38}
> 26. Re1-e2{168} Nc7-a8{12}
> 27. Nb1-d2{98} Na8-b6{32}
> 28. g2-g4{158} h6-h5{66}
> 29. g4-g5{84} Nf6-h7{26}
> 30. h3-h4{114} Nh7-f8{68}
> 31. Nd2-e4{88} Ra7-a8{114}
> 32. Ne4-g3{90} Ra8-d8{66}
> 33. Re3-e4{86} e7-e5{110}
> 34. d5-e6{114} Re8-e6{48}


  Capturing on e6 was unwise, for it opens things
up for me-- the guy with the extra pawn.  Better
to sit back and make me find some way to make
headway on my own.


> 35. Re2-d2{142} d6-d5{40}
> 36. c4-d5{124} Nb6-d5{62}
> 37. Bf4-e5{90} Nd5-c3{34}
> 38. Qd3-d7{118} Rd8-d7{10}
> 39. Be5-c3{132} Bg7-c3{40}


  Here my computer thinks I was winning outright
if I had recaptured on c3 with the pawn-- creating
a very dangerous far-advanced passer.  I saw it
as a potential weakness, possibly getting gobbled
up by the White King many moves hence.


> 40. Rd2-d7{96} Nf8-d7{10}
> 41. Re4-e6{138} f7-e6{8}
> 42. Ng3-e4{138} Bc3-g7{158}
> 43. Nf3-d2{110} Bg7-e5{68}
> 44. Nd2-c4{82} Be5-c7{20}
> 45. f2-f3{102} Kg8-f8{78}


  Instead of p-f3, simply bring the King forward.


> 46. Nc4-b2{102} Kf8-e7{138}
> 47. Kg1-f2{156} e6-e5{6}


  This was very bad for me, as the pawn now sits
on a square (e5) I needed for my pieces.  I was
having some trouble making headway, without
hanging a pawn to some funky Knight-fork.  I did
not see a simple trick: after ...Ne5 (somewhere
around here), my pawns are all protected from
capture by various pins or forks, before or after
any exchanges.


> 48. Nb2-d3{82} c5-c4{156}
> 49. b3-c4{154} Nd7-f8{192}
> 50. Kf2-e3{140} Nf8-e6{62}
> 51. Ne4-f6{92} Bc7-d6{210}
> 52. Ke3-e4{92} Ne6-c5{142}


  The King cannot come forward like this, because
a trade of pieces on c5 leaves Black with just two
pieces remaining-- one of which is forever tied to
watching the passed pawn on b3.  General Zhou:
you stand here and just watch that nasty pawn; I
will take my men and win the war all by myself?!


> 53. Nd3-c5{102} Bd6-c5{6}
> 54. Ke4-e5{82} b4-b3{36}
> 55. Nf6-d5{122} Ke7-f7{44}
> 56. Nd5-c3{130} b3-b2{38}
> 57. f3-f4{158} Bc5-f2{74}
> 58. Nc3-b1{134} Bf2-h4{54}
> 59. c4-c5{190} Bh4-f2{92}
> 60. c5-c6{90} Bf2-b6{16}
> 61. Ke5-d6{108} h5-h4{24}
> 62. f4-f5{216} g6-f5{30}
> 63. Kd6-d7{114} h4-h3{20}
> 64. g5-g6{106} Kf7-g6{20}
> 65. Kd7-e6{88} h3-h2{30}
> 66. c6-c7{160} Bb6-c7{18}
> 67. Ke6-d7{86} Qh2-h1(Q)
> 68. Nb1-c3(100) Pf5-f4(34)
> 69. Nc3-b5(192) Qb2-b1(Q)
> 70. Kd7-c7(166)


  Hey, hey-- the program sees a checkmate
coming long before I can, these days!  It stopped
the game here.


  -- help bot
 




 33 Posts in Topic:
Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-04-26 22:57:42 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-04-28 01:19:26 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-04-29 23:02:42 
Re: It is Strange
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-07 17:41:43 
Re: It is Strange
Patrick Volk <pjvolk@[  2008-05-11 13:51:28 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-04-29 23:50:30 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-04-30 13:01:20 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-01 08:44:03 
Re: It is Strange
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-05-12 02:27:46 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-04-30 22:22:17 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-01 08:56:50 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-01 00:04:25 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-01 01:20:00 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Kenneth Sloan <Kenneth  2008-05-01 08:59:39 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Kenneth Sloan <Kenneth  2008-05-01 14:20:36 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
"chipschap@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-01 07:01:20 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-01 12:12:49 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-01 12:18:52 
It is Strange
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-02 01:28:20 
Re: It is Strange
Kenneth Sloan <Kenneth  2008-05-02 21:52:29 
Re: It is Strange
Patrick Volk <pjvolk@[  2008-05-07 20:03:51 
Re: It is Strange
Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-02 02:09:12 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-02 22:46:35 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-02 22:47:17 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Kenneth Sloan <Kenneth  2008-05-03 10:20:05 
Re: It is Strange
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-02 22:48:12 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-02 22:49:04 
Re: It is Strange
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-03 12:21:06 
Re: It is Strange
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-03 12:25:11 
Re: It is Strange
Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-07 04:48:58 
Re: It is Strange
Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-07 06:59:02 
Re: It is Strange
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-07 09:44:33 
Re: It is Strange
Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-07 18:03:06 

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