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Re: Samuel Lipschutz

by "jeremy.p.spinrad@[EMAIL PROTECTED] " <jeremy.p.spinrad@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Apr 29, 2008 at 11:11 AM

On Apr 27, 12:27=A0pm, "jeremy.p.spin...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"
<jeremy.p.spin...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> I have a strange possible explanation I would like to run by, and see
> what anyone thinks of it.
>
> Before giving the theory, let us think of Lipshutz's last name. There
> are two spellings, which are used interchangeably; Lipschutz and
> Lipschuetz. Which is correct? Although one of these is probably the
> name on official US records, they are obviously both correct, since he
> no doubt considered the true spelling of the name Lipsch u umlaut tz.
> When transcribing the u umlaut, some people write u, and others write
> ue.
>
> Could it be possible that we have the same situation with his first
> name? How could one name be given in so many different forms, however?
>
> Although I have never used it, I also have a second given name. Each
> child in my family has a Hebrew name, as well as an American name. The
> Hebrew name is simply the Hebrew name of the person I am named after.
> In my case, this would be my great-uncle Isaac, or Yitzchak. My
> "standard" name is only tenuously related; a name was chosen such that
> it shares the same first letter as a Hebrew name as Yitzchak.
>
> By my generation, this Hebrew name is purely vestigial; I don't ever
> use it, and I doubt that my children even know I have such a name.
> Could it be that in Lipschutz's time, however, he considered his true
> name his Hebrew name, and basically answered with any name which
> started with an S when asked? Of course, in old sources the name is
> usually given simply as S. Lipschutz; it is only rarely that a first
> name is assigned.
>
> Perhaps someone who knows about Jewish naming custome of the time
> could day whether this makes any sense.
>
> Would it make sense to collect all the old sources in which a name is
> given for Lipschutz, to see whether any name is really more common
> than any other? I think I have references to all the names listed,
> though IIRC Salomon rather than Solomon is given in my source.

For what it is worth, here are some old references which assign a
first name to Lipschutz

Brooklyn Chess Chronicle Volume 2 pg ~18 give his first name as
Salomon

Brooklyn Eagle Mar 20, 1898 gives Simon

NY Times April 11, 1892 gives Samuel

But then I can even find others if you just believe everything in news
papers eg William S Lipschutz is given in the Brooklyn Eagle of Jan 5,
1890, and I can find what are almost certainly misprints LS Lipschutz,
R  and J Lipschutz.

As for his brother, who was a much more minor chess player, he is
listed about equally often as F Lipschutz and P Lipschutz; I believe
this is because he would go by Filip or Philip depending on the
circumstances, backing up the theory that an exact spelling of a first
name just wasn't that im****tant.

Other references of some interest; a police complaint by Samuel
Lipschutz leading to an arrest is covered in the Brooklyn Eagle of Dec
22, 1892; an address of 131 Monroe St is given, if anyone has another
reference to where he lived.

The New York Times of Jan 9, 1896 says that Lipschutz is one of the
best canvassers for a petition to liberalize Sunday laws; no doubt his
signature would be on many documents there if anyone really wants to
dig for them.

Most of the time, well known players are not listed by first names;
thus, the reason his name is given in the Brooklyn Chess Chronicle was
that he was just an unknown class B player at the time. However,
Lipschutz first name does strike me as being given even less
frequently than other top players, for whatever reason.

Jerry Spinrad


>
> Jerry Spinrad
>
> On Apr 26, 7:19=A0pm, ttk5...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 26, 3:59=A0pm, RookHouse <mor...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > Samuel Lipschutz was born in 1863 in Hungary but emigrated to the
USA
> > > in 1880 at the age of seventeen. =A0His chess career started to
blosso=
m
> > > in 1883, as he was chosen to participate in high level chess club
> > > matches, representing New York against Philadelphia ...........
>
> > > Click here to read the whole
article:http://www.rookhouse.com/blog/?p=
=3D189
>
> > =A0 There's still uncertainty about Lipsch=FCtz's actual first name,
is
> > there not? Gaige gives references that call him variously Samuel,
> > Simon, and Solomon. Has the correct name ever been determined?- Hide
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Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-26 12:59:11 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
Anders Thulin <ath_no_  2008-04-26 21:16:15 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-30 13:01:49 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
Anders Thulin <ath_no_  2008-04-30 13:39:10 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-26 16:19:38 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
Anders Thulin <ath_no_  2008-04-27 05:24:57 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
ttk5079@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-26 17:19:57 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-26 17:47:35 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
"jeremy.p.spinrad@[E  2008-04-27 10:27:04 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
Anders Thulin <ath_no_  2008-04-27 19:04:21 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-27 13:46:58 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-27 13:54:12 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
Anders Thulin <ath_no_  2008-04-28 15:51:55 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-30 13:23:18 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
"jeremy.p.spinrad@[E  2008-04-27 17:57:58 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
"jeremy.p.spinrad@[E  2008-04-27 17:59:45 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
"Wlodzimierz Holszty  2008-04-28 00:08:23 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-28 04:03:20 
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RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-28 04:11:22 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-28 04:44:14 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
Anders Thulin <ath_no_  2008-04-28 15:58:21 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
"Wlodzimierz Holszty  2008-04-28 08:44:32 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-28 15:23:23 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-28 15:26:05 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
"Wlodzimierz Holszty  2008-04-28 20:00:56 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-29 04:45:35 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
The Historian <neil.th  2008-04-29 05:26:44 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-29 05:42:57 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
The Historian <neil.th  2008-04-29 05:47:00 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-29 05:53:08 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
The Historian <neil.th  2008-04-29 06:50:36 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-29 06:57:33 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
The Historian <neil.th  2008-04-29 07:01:26 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-29 07:05:15 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
The Historian <neil.th  2008-04-29 07:10:47 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-29 07:43:21 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
"jeremy.p.spinrad@[E  2008-04-29 11:11:07 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-29 13:07:46 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 05:18:28 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 05:25:20 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-30 14:40:38 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 05:31:15 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
The Historian <neil.th  2008-04-30 06:57:52 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
zdrakec <zdrakec@[EMAI  2008-04-30 07:00:21 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 07:23:21 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 07:30:37 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-30 16:20:13 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 07:44:26 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
The Historian <neil.th  2008-04-30 08:17:37 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 08:26:07 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 08:29:14 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
ttk5079@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-30 08:30:35 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
The Historian <neil.th  2008-04-30 08:39:02 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 08:43:27 

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