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Re: ****rov's Sad Saga

by "parrthenon@[EMAIL PROTECTED] " <parrthenon@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 29, 2008 at 07:16 AM

DAVID KANE  INVERTED THE TRUTH

 <You cannot rely on Evans for unbiased information.
Evans is the classic USCF apparatchik. When the Chess
Life "bosses" demand cold war rhetoric - he complies.
Say or write anything to maintain lifetime employment,
that's the ticket.> -- David Kane

      When Greg Kennedy wrote that David Kane is
smarter than this writer in "thinking skills," he
wrote another of his typical redundancies, without
quite realizing it.

      Still, one concedes that Greg will never know
how much he wounded me with that cruel comparison.

      Meanwhile, David Kane babbles about this writer
changing some subject.  I've stayed directly on point,
which has been to examine the meaning of a
statement that Korchnoi was treated in typical fa****on
by the Soviet state re his family.  Therefore, if
Kanester has any point at all, Karpov is no less a
s****tsman for playing Korchnoi while the latter's
family was held hostage (during the first match) and
no less a s****tsman for sitting down at the board in
the second match even as the Soviet state ratcheted up
the ante by arresting Korchnoi's son, sending him to a
labor camp and then arranging for his beating on the
eve of the 1981 title match to send his father a message..

           As for Karpov, he no longer s****ts that Order of
Lenin, and one can make a shrewd guess at how he
regards his own person.

      One reckons that nearly every reader on this
forum knows that Kanester inverted truth when calling
Larry Evans an apparatchik of the USCF.  He has
 been an independent contractor, never a USCF employee.

   Given that Kanester told something worse than a lie by
turning truth literally inside out, my comment about Evans
having no financial interest in toeing any line was by
no means off-topic. After all, there was no topic except
except an inversion of truth that had, therefore, no
substantive content.

      Once again, for the record:  anyone who knows
USCF political history knows that GM Evans has been
a thornchik in the side of USCF politicians for decades,
fighting them repeatedly on dozens of issues.  Indeed,
on one occasion the politicos even hired a Pinkerton
detective to go after him.  Later, when the hot lead
turned out to be false, the politicos who voted USCF
money to pursue Evans reimbursed the Federation
out of their own pocket for the Pinkerton costs.

      Our Kanester is not going to admit that he
inverted truth in his name-calling directed against
GM Evans.  However, he will continue his geyser-like
gu****ng of evident hatred toward the five-time U.S.
champion and famous author.

Yours, Larry Parr




Chess One wrote:
> "David Kane" <davidekane@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:Od6dnQFokeb-XIvVnZ2dnUVZ_quhnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > "help bot" <nomorechess@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >
news:9d0ee65b-2e07-4502-aab2-40f88e5ea4c4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>  Mr. Kane's point was that (he says) the Soviets'
> >> *routine practice* was to deny such emigration
> >> requests as those by family members of defector
> >> Victor Kortchnoi.  Now, while I don't know about
> >> such things, I do know that Mr. Parr studiously
> >> avoided addressing that issue, instead doing
> >> another of his ad hominem dances, with both feet
> >> flying this way and that.  It must be concluded then
> >> that Mr. Kane struck a nerve.
> >>
> >
> > The bigger point really was that no rational person
> > could expect a chessplayer to influence the
> > emigration policies of the Soviet government.
>
> No rational person would credit any objective sense whatever to Soviet
> Government.
>
>    We wanted the best, but it turned out as always.
>         - Viktor Chernomyrdin,
>         - Russian prime minister, 1992-1998.
>
> But David Kane might appreciate the particular sensitivity displayed by
all
> totalitarian regimes to the // appearance // of things, in
contradistinction
> to the difficulty of re****ting what actually goes on in closed
societies,
> which is to contrast the appearance with the practice. If Mr. Parr's
> commentary related to either individual pressure put on chess players,
or to
> other individuals whose intelligence and ability was valued by the
Soviet
> State, then his is /not/ an exceptional point of view.
>
> In chess one would only have to read Boris Gulko's testimony to
understand
> that specifically; not only was the Russian champion duffed-up by KGB
but
> his wife was also beaten.
>
> It is getting that news out of the country which is the difficult bit -
not
> just the anecdote, but records establi****ng its extent and probity.
>
> Therefore while it is unusual to have then found such samizdat in the
West,
> almost all such records as Gulko's, each made independently of each
other,
> and necessarily without knowledge of each other; these records all
accord
> with each other.
>
> I think to perhaps innocently blame the re****ter for inventiveness, or
some
> such thing, is an attitude that is relieved by knowledge after even a
little
> study.
>
> > The Evans and Parrs of this world are simply
> > not capable of dealing with facts which get
> > in the way of their simplistic stories.
>
>     JUST ANOTHER MASSACRE
>
> The stories are simple. They are often brutal, so brutal that it is hard
to
> believe that, for example, even in the post-Soviet era one's own head of
> state will appear on camera smiling and shaking hands with the
perpetrators
> of repression, and make 'simplistic' statements expressing their
feelings
> they could 'do business' with them.
>
>     On February 5, 2000, the mass murder of civilians took place during
a
> pass****t inspection by sub-units of the Ministry of Defence and the
Ministry
> of the Interior of the Russian Federation in the village of Novye Aldy,
> Zavodskoi District, Grozny. This was re****ted by;
>
>     - T. A. Murdalov
>     - Investigator for Especially Im****tant Matters,
>     - Office of the North Caucasus Prosecutor General of the Russian
> Federation.
>
> Those refer to OMON units. The issue was not further investigated
because of
> jurisdictional 'problems' of troops from Petersburg and Ryazan, and in
2002
> "it came quietly to rest." says Andrew Meier, who continued his re****t
in
> Black Earth with...
>
>     ...Not long after the dead in Aldy were reburied for the final time,
> Yuri Dyomin, Russia's chief military prosecutor, told an audience of
Western
> human rights advocates in Moscow that he regretted "the time I have
wasted"
> investigating re****ts of abuses "based on disinformation." He went on to
> accuse Chechen refugees of spreading // skazki //, fairy tales.
>
> This ended the affair for catch-phrase Western apologists of the Regime
in
> the post-Soviet era, since it was just another [unexplained] massacre,
> despite contravening Article 3 of the Geneva Convention, on internal
> conflicts.
>
> And that Mr. Kane, I suggest to you is <emphasis> //post//  Soviet era.
> Those who re****ted things even earlier gained less attention in the
West,
> since for many people, such behaviors by a state were literally
> 'unbelievable.'
>
> Phil Innes
 




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"parrthenon@[EMAIL P  2008-04-29 17:31:15 
Another Silly Ploy
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"parrthenon@[EMAIL P  2008-04-29 20:48:06 
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