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Re: Samuel Lipschutz

by RookHouse <morphy@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 28, 2008 at 04:44 AM

On Apr 27, 3:04=A0pm, Anders Thulin <ath_no_spam_ple...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>
> =A0 =A0Me, I would probably go for official sources first:
naturalization =
records?
> death certificate? pass****ts (both in the US and in Austria/Hungary, if
po=
ssible)
> and so on.
>
I just came across this January 2005 post from Edward Winter's chess
history website, researched and submitted by our own Anders Thulin.

"Lipsch=FCtz participated in the London, 1886 tournament, which ended on
29 July. The passenger lists should consequently feature a Lipsch=FCtz,
arriving in New York in August or possibly September that year. They
show that a Mr S. Lipschutz, aged 25, arrived in New York on 18 August
1886 on the ****p Wisconsin from Liverpool.

This is presumably our Lipsch=FCtz, even though he seems slightly older
than expected; he should be 22-23 years of age if he was born in 1863.
But unfortunately there is only the initial S., and not a full name.
No occupation, just =93gent=94.

According to the biographical feature in the Chess Monthly (December
1891, page 98), Lipsch=FCtz emigrated to the US when aged about 17=BD;
this means around 1880, assuming that he was indeed born in 1863.
Thus, another list entry should exist from that time.

There is a record stating that Salom. Lipschutz, 19 years old, born in
Hungary, arrived in New York on 4 September 1880 on the ****p Cimbria
from Hamburg and Le Havre. Again, he is slightly older than expected,
but seems to be the same age as the Lipsch=FCtz from 1886.

A check for other Lipsch=FCtzes =96 particularly anyone named Simon or
Samuel =96 produces nothing quite as good for these dates. (One =93Samuel
Lipsch=FCtz=94, born around 1861, a turner, arrived on 12 August 1891, on
the ****p State of Nebraska, apparently via Glasgow from Russia. A
=93Simon Lipsch=FCtz=94, a worker, from Galicia, aged 28, arrived on 8
January 1884, from Hamburg.)

On the assumption that S. Lipsch=FCtz did enter the United States of
America through New York (almost certain), and was aged 19 in
September 1880 (or had reasons for claiming so at the time), and that
the records are complete, it seems likely that his first name was
=93Salomon=94, possibly =93Solomon=94 or a near equivalent.

The difference in age between S. Lipsch=FCtz in the Chess Monthly
article and the Lipschutz who appears on the passenger lists is
irritating, however."

VERY impressive bit of research Anders, nicely done.
 




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Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-26 12:59:11 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
Anders Thulin <ath_no_  2008-04-26 21:16:15 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-30 13:01:49 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
Anders Thulin <ath_no_  2008-04-30 13:39:10 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-26 16:19:38 
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Anders Thulin <ath_no_  2008-04-27 05:24:57 
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ttk5079@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-26 17:19:57 
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RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-26 17:47:35 
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"jeremy.p.spinrad@[E  2008-04-27 10:27:04 
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Anders Thulin <ath_no_  2008-04-27 19:04:21 
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RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-27 13:46:58 
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RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-27 13:54:12 
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Anders Thulin <ath_no_  2008-04-28 15:51:55 
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David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-30 13:23:18 
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"jeremy.p.spinrad@[E  2008-04-27 17:57:58 
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"jeremy.p.spinrad@[E  2008-04-27 17:59:45 
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"Wlodzimierz Holszty  2008-04-28 00:08:23 
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RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-28 04:44:14 
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The Historian <neil.th  2008-04-29 06:50:36 
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The Historian <neil.th  2008-04-29 07:10:47 
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RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-29 07:43:21 
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"jeremy.p.spinrad@[E  2008-04-29 11:11:07 
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RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-29 13:07:46 
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David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-30 14:40:38 
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RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 05:31:15 
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The Historian <neil.th  2008-04-30 06:57:52 
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zdrakec <zdrakec@[EMAI  2008-04-30 07:00:21 
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RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 07:23:21 
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David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-30 16:20:13 
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RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 07:44:26 
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The Historian <neil.th  2008-04-30 08:17:37 
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RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 08:26:07 
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RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 08:29:14 
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ttk5079@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-30 08:30:35 
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The Historian <neil.th  2008-04-30 08:39:02 
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