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Re: Samuel Lipschutz

by "jeremy.p.spinrad@[EMAIL PROTECTED] " <jeremy.p.spinrad@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Apr 27, 2008 at 05:59 PM

On Apr 27, 3:46=A0pm, RookHouse <mor...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Apr 27, 1:27=A0pm, "jeremy.p.spin...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"
>
>
>
>
>
> <jeremy.p.spin...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > I have a strange possible explanation I would like to run by, and see
> > what anyone thinks of it.
>
> > Before giving the theory, let us think of Lipshutz's last name. There
> > are two spellings, which are used interchangeably; Lipschutz and
> > Lipschuetz. Which is correct? Although one of these is probably the
> > name on official US records, they are obviously both correct, since he
> > no doubt considered the true spelling of the name Lipsch u umlaut tz.
> > When transcribing the u umlaut, some people write u, and others write
> > ue.
>
> > Could it be possible that we have the same situation with his first
> > name? How could one name be given in so many different forms, however?
>
> > Although I have never used it, I also have a second given name. Each
> > child in my family has a Hebrew name, as well as an American name. The
> > Hebrew name is simply the Hebrew name of the person I am named after.
> > In my case, this would be my great-uncle Isaac, or Yitzchak. My
> > "standard" name is only tenuously related; a name was chosen such that
> > it shares the same first letter as a Hebrew name as Yitzchak.
>
> > By my generation, this Hebrew name is purely vestigial; I don't ever
> > use it, and I doubt that my children even know I have such a name.
> > Could it be that in Lipschutz's time, however, he considered his true
> > name his Hebrew name, and basically answered with any name which
> > started with an S when asked? Of course, in old sources the name is
> > usually given simply as S. Lipschutz; it is only rarely that a first
> > name is assigned.
>
> > Perhaps someone who knows about Jewish naming custome of the time
> > could day whether this makes any sense.
>
> > Would it make sense to collect all the old sources in which a name is
> > given for Lipschutz, to see whether any name is really more common
> > than any other? I think I have references to all the names listed,
> > though IIRC Salomon rather than Solomon is given in my source.
>
> > Jerry Spinrad
>
> > On Apr 26, 7:19=A0pm, ttk5...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>
> > > On Apr 26, 3:59=A0pm, RookHouse <mor...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > > Samuel Lipschutz was born in 1863 in Hungary but emigrated to the
US=
A
> > > > in 1880 at the age of seventeen. =A0His chess career started to
blos=
som
> > > > in 1883, as he was chosen to participate in high level chess club
> > > > matches, representing New York against Philadelphia ...........
>
> > > > Click here to read the whole
article:http://www.rookhouse.com/blog/?=
p=3D189
>
> > > =A0 There's still uncertainty about Lipsch=FCtz's actual first name,
i=
s
> > > there not? Gaige gives references that call him variously Samuel,
> > > Simon, and Solomon. Has the correct name ever been determined?- Hide
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> Hey .... it's Jerry Spinrad ..... I thought you fell off the face of
> the Earth.
>
> Jerry, you offered to share some of your research with me on American
> chess history a few months ago, for which I thought that I had
> appropriately expressed my gratitude. =A0You then decided for some
> reason to blow me off and refused to answer any of my e-mails.

Sorry, I am often bad about emails. I am in the process of trying to
get the notes made available on chesscafe, which would save me work in
sending it to individuals. I should have answered directly though;
sorry

Jerry Spinrad
>
> Yet, now you participate in my thread as if this never happened. =A0I
> would very much like to know why you would treat a fellow chess
> historian in this unacceptable manner. =A0If you had second thoughts on
> sharing any of your research, then that's all you had to say. =A0To
> ignore and lie to someone who has never wronged you in any way is
> pretty weird and inappropriate.- Hide quoted text -
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 54 Posts in Topic:
Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-26 12:59:11 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
Anders Thulin <ath_no_  2008-04-26 21:16:15 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-30 13:01:49 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
Anders Thulin <ath_no_  2008-04-30 13:39:10 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-26 16:19:38 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
Anders Thulin <ath_no_  2008-04-27 05:24:57 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
ttk5079@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-26 17:19:57 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-26 17:47:35 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
"jeremy.p.spinrad@[E  2008-04-27 10:27:04 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
Anders Thulin <ath_no_  2008-04-27 19:04:21 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-27 13:46:58 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-27 13:54:12 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
Anders Thulin <ath_no_  2008-04-28 15:51:55 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-30 13:23:18 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
"jeremy.p.spinrad@[E  2008-04-27 17:57:58 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
"jeremy.p.spinrad@[E  2008-04-27 17:59:45 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
"Wlodzimierz Holszty  2008-04-28 00:08:23 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-28 04:03:20 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-28 04:11:22 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-28 04:44:14 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
Anders Thulin <ath_no_  2008-04-28 15:58:21 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
"Wlodzimierz Holszty  2008-04-28 08:44:32 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-28 15:23:23 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-28 15:26:05 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
"Wlodzimierz Holszty  2008-04-28 20:00:56 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-29 04:45:35 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
The Historian <neil.th  2008-04-29 05:26:44 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-29 05:42:57 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
The Historian <neil.th  2008-04-29 05:47:00 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-29 05:53:08 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
The Historian <neil.th  2008-04-29 06:50:36 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-29 06:57:33 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
The Historian <neil.th  2008-04-29 07:01:26 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-29 07:05:15 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
The Historian <neil.th  2008-04-29 07:10:47 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-29 07:43:21 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
"jeremy.p.spinrad@[E  2008-04-29 11:11:07 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-29 13:07:46 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 05:18:28 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 05:25:20 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-30 14:40:38 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 05:31:15 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
The Historian <neil.th  2008-04-30 06:57:52 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
zdrakec <zdrakec@[EMAI  2008-04-30 07:00:21 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 07:23:21 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 07:30:37 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-30 16:20:13 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 07:44:26 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
The Historian <neil.th  2008-04-30 08:17:37 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 08:26:07 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 08:29:14 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
ttk5079@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-30 08:30:35 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
The Historian <neil.th  2008-04-30 08:39:02 
Re: Samuel Lipschutz
RookHouse <morphy@[EMA  2008-04-30 08:43:27 

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