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Re: "Kasparov Retails Title on a Draw": Does this headline do anything to increase interest in chess?

by "David Kane" <davidekane@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 25, 2008 at 07:31 AM

"David Richerby" <davidr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:TYB*bxhbs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Mike Murray  <mikemurray@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> "J.D. Walker" <j.d.walker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> How would the following work out?
>>>
>>> White win = +1
>>> Black win = +1.11
>>> White draw = .45
>>> Black Draw = .50
>>
>> Looks good.  As a side benefit, I'd guess that it would cut back the
>> number of times tie-breakers would need to be applied.
>
> Hmm.  Now I think about it, wouldn't it actually be better to use a
> tie-break, at least for matches?  If the match is drawn under conven-
> tional 1-1/2-0 scoring, declare the match to be won by the player who
> won the greater number of games with black or, if that's still a tie,
> by the player who did X or, ...  And then award the match to the
> champion if it's still tied after some reasonable list of tie-break
> criteria.
>
> My reasoning is that any system of differentially scoring wins and
> draws for black and white implicitly defines some sort of tie-break
> system for `tied' matches but one has to sit down and work out what
> the system is.  (For example, in the original proposal of 1 for a win,
> 0.45 for a white draw and 0.55 for a black draw, the system was the
> rather counter-intuitive and probably unintended `The player with the
> most wins as white wins the match'.)  Rather than try to come up with
> a scoring system that implicitly defines some tie-break criteria,
> wouldn't it be easier to just explicitly define the tie-break?
>

Even though I have favored alternate scoring, I don't
think it makes much sense in matches. I also think unplayed
tie-breaks are artificial. To me, the most sensible approach
is to go to single game sudden death. To eliminate the advantage
of going first, have each player bid time on his clock in order
to have the first White, highest bidder wins. I also think that
at some time in the sudden death period, one can go to a
two-games-per-day schedule - this is routine in the chess
world, and games now are shorter than they have been
historically, so it's no hard****p. This way the expected
extension of a tied match will be a few days or so- no unusual
logistical problems are created.

The problem isn't in designing a fair match with no
ties. The problem is that the champion, whoever he
is, doesn't *want* a fair match. He wants his
substantial champion's advantage. So that's the real
problem.
 




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"Kasparov Retails Title on a Draw": Does this headline do anythi
Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-20 21:33:18 
Re: "Kasparov Retails Title on a Draw": Does this headline do
Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-20 21:34:01 
Re: "Kasparov Retails Title on a Draw": Does this headline do an
"David Kane" &l  2008-04-20 22:39:04 
Re: "Kasparov Retails Title on a Draw": Does this headline do
"parrthenon@[EMAIL P  2008-04-20 22:05:25 
Re: "Kasparov Retails Title on a Draw": Does this headline do
SBD <DrDowd@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-21 08:59:05 
Re: "Kasparov Retails Title on a Draw": Does this headline do
Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-21 09:06:01 
Re: "Kasparov Retails Title on a Draw": Does this headline do
Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-21 09:10:28 
Re: "Kasparov Retails Title on a Draw": Does this headline do
David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-24 18:33:54 
Re: "Kasparov Retails Title on a Draw": Does this headline do
Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-21 09:12:23 
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"David Kane" &l  2008-04-21 15:43:36 
Re: "Kasparov Retails Title on a Draw": Does this headline do
Rob <robmtchl@[EMAIL P  2008-04-21 09:16:17 
Re: "Kasparov Retains Title on a Draw": Does this headline do
Rob <robmtchl@[EMAIL P  2008-04-21 09:17:44 
Re: "Kasparov Retails Title on a Draw": Does this headline do
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-04-21 10:26:45 
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help bot <nomorechess@  2008-04-21 10:36:22 
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Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-21 17:00:39 
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Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-21 17:15:26 
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Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-21 17:19:47 
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David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-24 22:11:43 
Re: "Kasparov Retails Title on a Draw": Does this headline do
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-21 17:25:42 
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"J.D. Walker" &  2008-04-21 18:29:07 
Re: "Kasparov Retails Title on a Draw": Does this headline do a
David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-24 20:59:05 
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"J.D. Walker" &  2008-04-24 13:39:28 
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Mike Murray <mikemurra  2008-04-24 15:08:41 
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"J.D. Walker" &  2008-04-24 16:22:24 
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"J.D. Walker" &  2008-04-24 22:11:27 
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David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-25 11:29:01 
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David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-25 14:05:09 
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"David Kane" &l  2008-04-25 07:31:44 
Re: "Kasparov Retails Title on a Draw": Does this headline do
Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-21 20:19:48 
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"David Kane" &l  2008-04-21 20:53:49 
Re: "Kasparov Retains Title on a Draw": Does this headline do
Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-21 20:22:36 
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Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-21 20:23:47 
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Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-21 20:24:52 
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Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-21 20:34:23 
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David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-22 09:31:14 
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Guy Macon <http://www.  2008-04-22 11:21:54 
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Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-22 05:17:00 
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Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-22 05:24:48 
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"J.D. Walker" &  2008-04-22 06:22:50 
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Mike Murray <mikemurra  2008-04-22 11:08:22 
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Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-22 12:38:26 
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help bot <nomorechess@  2008-04-22 13:53:20 
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Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-22 18:02:34 
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Kenneth Sloan <Kenneth  2008-04-22 20:25:44 
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help bot <nomorechess@  2008-04-22 18:35:26 
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Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-22 19:10:59 
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Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-22 19:13:24 
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Kenneth Sloan <Kenneth  2008-04-22 22:56:41 
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help bot <nomorechess@  2008-04-22 20:04:24 
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"parrthenon@[EMAIL P  2008-04-23 00:23:02 
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"David Kane" &l  2008-04-23 21:59:08 
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Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-23 09:03:29 
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David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-24 22:03:23 
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Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-23 09:05:08 
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Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-23 09:15:12 
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"David Kane" &l  2008-04-23 09:42:09 
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David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-24 21:25:43 
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Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-23 09:21:25 
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Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-23 09:24:19 
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"David Kane" &l  2008-04-23 09:47:50 
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