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Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level

by Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 1, 2008 at 08:56 AM

Sanny wrote:
>>   I "face it now" by trading down to an elementary win,
>> only to have the game wrongly adjudicated as a draw
>> because somebody atGetClubdoesn't know much
>> aboutchess.  :>D
>>
>>   KBB vs. K is a forced win, just like KR vs. K is.
> 
> I know KBB vs K is forced win.
> 
> But when Computer has 2 Bishops extra and it will never be able to
> find a win. So the game will never end.

If it is the computer with the extra material then it has to offer a 
draw because it doesn't know how to win. But it cannot claim a draw 
against a human opponent with that same extra material just because it 
doesn't know how to win. You could always add tablebases to sort this 
out onces and for all.

Or a few extra heuristics in the evaluation when the number of pieces on 
the board are 5 or less and special cases for Kxx against lone K.
KBBk and KBNk are probably the most im****tant gaps here. KNNNk although 
a theoretical win requires a perverse set of cir***stances to arise in 
real play.
> 
> I has giving these cases as Draw.
> 
> KBB vs K
> 
> KNB vs K

But these are both mostly clear wins for a half decent human player 
against any defence. They would be a routine win against Getclub because 
it has no understanding of how the mating net is constructed.

 >
 > KNN vs K
> 
> KB vs K
> 
> KN vs K
> 
> KN vs KB
> 
> KN vs KR
> 
> KB vs KR
> 
> In all above cases game will end in a draw.

Generally true except in the KR case where there may sometimes be a pin, 
check or forced move that results in the capture of the N or B (which is 
worth looking for before declaring it drawn). Reducing to KRk.

Regards,
Martin Brown
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Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-04-26 22:57:42 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-04-28 01:19:26 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-04-29 23:02:42 
Re: It is Strange
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-07 17:41:43 
Re: It is Strange
Patrick Volk <pjvolk@[  2008-05-11 13:51:28 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-04-29 23:50:30 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-04-30 13:01:20 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-01 08:44:03 
Re: It is Strange
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-05-12 02:27:46 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-04-30 22:22:17 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-01 08:56:50 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-01 00:04:25 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-01 01:20:00 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Kenneth Sloan <Kenneth  2008-05-01 08:59:39 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Kenneth Sloan <Kenneth  2008-05-01 14:20:36 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
"chipschap@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-01 07:01:20 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-01 12:12:49 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-01 12:18:52 
It is Strange
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-02 01:28:20 
Re: It is Strange
Kenneth Sloan <Kenneth  2008-05-02 21:52:29 
Re: It is Strange
Patrick Volk <pjvolk@[  2008-05-07 20:03:51 
Re: It is Strange
Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-02 02:09:12 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-02 22:46:35 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-02 22:47:17 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Kenneth Sloan <Kenneth  2008-05-03 10:20:05 
Re: It is Strange
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-02 22:48:12 
Re: Analyze game between Help Bot & Normal Level
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-02 22:49:04 
Re: It is Strange
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-03 12:21:06 
Re: It is Strange
help bot <nomorechess@  2008-05-03 12:25:11 
Re: It is Strange
Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-07 04:48:58 
Re: It is Strange
Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-07 06:59:02 
Re: It is Strange
Sanny <softtanks@[EMAI  2008-05-07 09:44:33 
Re: It is Strange
Martin Brown <|||newsp  2008-05-07 18:03:06 

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