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Re: Steve Gets Caught Up In Mass Hysteria and Bandwagon Group Think

by Brian Lafferty <blafferty@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 11, 2008 at 03:18 PM

samsloan wrote:
> On Apr 9, 3:13 am, Gregory <greg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On Apr 9, 1:00 am, p944dc <p94...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 8, 7:20 pm, Gregory <greg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>  It is sad that you are so caught up in an emotional bandwagon
against
>>>> a candidate that you are trying to remove that you can't see the
logic
>>>> of this. It is also sad that you are deliberately framing this as
>>>> something that was intentionally done by a certain party in order to
>>>> harass someone.
>>> Was it done to simply harass a past political opponent?  We don't know
>>> that.  Were the salacious emails emanating from the same source during
>>> the 2007 EB election intentionally meant to defame, or not?  How can
>>> we know the mind of those who do such things?  We can recognize
>>> patterns of behavior, and whatever the reason, the acts are to be
>>> condemned.
>>> What is sad is that you have become so passionately partisan that you
>>> sup****t, and in this instance participate in, these unethical acts.
>>> If you were truthfully approaching this subject you would remember
>>> that I did not sup****t the recall UNTIL Truong refused to participate
>>> in the USCF defense.  You would remember who it was, pretty much
>>> alone, who sup****ted your position in the fake BG post episode where
>>> you were the one blamed last October.  You would remember who it was
>>> that sup****ted you when you had difficulties in the last weeks of your
>>> time as moderator at the USCF forum.  You would remember who it was
>>> that faced the tip of the spear when Truong and Polgar were under
>>> attack last May (not YOU, by the way).  I try to approach these
>>> matters not from the realm of personality wor****p, but by
>>> dispassionately weighing the ACTS of those involved against the
>>> standard of decent morality.  You should try it sometime.
>> Steve,
>>
>> Your false innuendo and blame sounds like a your beating of a drum to
>> garnish further recall sup****t. While you definately have a creative
>> writing style, it is disconnected from reality. The post was a
>> verbatim quote from the LA Times.
>>
>> You most definitely made this post to sound like it is the fault of
>> Susan Polgar, or Paul Troung, whom you are presently trying to
>> politically recall.
>>
>> Spare me from your hollow protests about decency. You are doing more
>> to promulgate this story by adding fuel to the fire in your attempt
>> to create false blame. If Susan or Paul that caused the death of an
>> innocent individual, you-- and your friends, would not let it go and
>> drum the beat for eternity. If you, or your friends, posted a factual
>> article against Paul, or Susan, that occured 8 years ago and it was
>> yanked by a moderator, you would all cry that we are not allowing
>> free speech since we pulled a factual post about a chess personality.
>>
>> The double standards that are applied are sickening-- and I did not
>> expect this from you.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Gregory
> 
> Susan and Paul have pulled a lot of bogus scams which are rarely
> mentioned on this group.
> 
> What about the $50,000 which they claimed that both the USCF and the
> Kasparov Chess Foundation each had to pay them for "training" the US
> Woman's Chess Olympiad Team, when the "training" consisted Paul Truong
> telling the woman chess players what to do during their menstrual
> periods? (This is discussed in the books "King's Gambit" by Paul
> Hoffman and "Chess *****" by Jennifer Shahade.)
> 
> What about Susan Polgar charging $2 per person for simply appearing at
> a national scholastic tournament (meaning that she got $4,000 for just
> a one hour appearance) and claiming that Frank Niro had agreed to pay
> this amount when Niro had disappeared and, as we now know, was hiding
> in Polgar's house in Queens?
> 
> There is a long list of scams pulled by Polgar and Truong before they
> ran for the board. We knew about them but were not allowed to reveal
> them because the moderators to the USCF Issues Forum which included
> Gregory Alexander would not allow any negative comments or even
> embarrassing questions about Polgar and Truong to be posted on the
> USCF Issues Forum.
> 
> What about the fact that a picture of Susan Polgar has appeared in
> every issue of Chess Life from 2005 up to the present even though
> Polgar has not played in a serious rated chess event since the 2004
> Chess Olympiad? The first issue of Chess Life that did not contain a
> big picture of Susan Polgar in more than two years is the current
> April, 2008 issue of Chess Life.
> 
> Had the general chess playing public been allowed to know about all
> these scams by Polgar and Truong, they would never  have been elected.
> The public was not allowed to know the truth because of the Pro-Polgar
> and Pro-Truong moderators that were appointed by Bill Hall and Bill
> Goichberg to the USCF Issues Forum.
> 
> Sam Sloan

The following comment by USCF board member Randy Hough responding to Don 
Schultz is interesting:

Well, maybe we should just let you make the decision, Don...oh, that's 
right, you ran for reelection and lost...badly. And maybe we should let 
Susan and Joel blackmail us into a bad business decision.

I don't think so.

Randy H

Chessdon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
In a message dated 4/4/2008 6:59:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
Chesstour writes:
In a message dated 4/4/2008 2:55:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Chessdon 
writes:
In a message dated 4/4/2008 12:28:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
Chessdon writes:
I just read the Bill Goichberg/ Joel Channing letters over insurance and 
while I am not familiar with all the detail, allow me to offer some 
comments:

I'm confused, if there is little risk and there are no cases of third 
party payouts of large amounts as stated by Bill - then why are the 
rates so high? There usually is at least some correlation between rates 
and risk, is there not?
Many companies would find $13,000 per year not a high rate.
Are you saying that most companies would opt for the insurance at 
$13,000 because it was worth the protection?

I favor saving money by going for the largest deductible that minimizes 
maximum risk. USCF can afford small and medium size risks; but to put 
the organization's existence at risk (no matter how small a possibility) 
should not be decided by a simple Board majority vote.

IMO, aborting catastrophic insurance is a matter that should go to the 
delegates. It is a decision that if taken, will  have short term and 
long term consequences that will open a new dimension of Board and 
Delegate disharmony that is not needed at this time.
This insurance was authorized by the board, and it would be odd to spend 
another $5000 waiting for delegate approval to cancel it.  Most 
delegates would be surprised if the board was unwilling to act on what 
is clearly not a delegate matter.
Yes the EB approved it but the stakes are now higher - the loss of an 
im****tant Board member, who has op****tunities in the oven and the fact 
that at least one Board member feels that the very existence of the USCF 
is at risk because of the potential magnitude of legal developments. 
Personally I agree with that *****sment. Right or wrong, Susan's 
potential marketability is enormous and its destruction and counter 
action by Susan could destroy the USCF as well. 3 or 4 Board members 
should not, IMO unilaterally make this *****sment no matter what the 
reasons were when the insurance was first purchased.

Don Schultz
 




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Re: Steve Gets Caught Up In Mass Hysteria and Bandwagon Group Th
samsloan <samhsloan@[E  2008-04-11 06:40:51 
Re: Steve Gets Caught Up In Mass Hysteria and Bandwagon Group Th
Brian Lafferty <blaffe  2008-04-11 15:18:27 

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