On May 25, 1:50=A0pm, henrysun...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 25, 1:18 pm, Michael AngeloRavera<marav...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 12, 4:56 pm, Alan Malloy <alan.NO.S...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > There've been several posts recently mentioning Kaplan-Sheinwold and
> > > Roth-Stone. It sounds as if KS might be a system that would fit my
> > > style, but I'm not at all familiar with it. Can anyone point me to a
> > > good reference for KS, or summarize the general philosophy? I'm not
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> > > interested in RS, but since they seem to be mentioned together
fairly
> > > often perhaps I should take a look at both anyway.
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> > > Obviously I have tried to look around on Google, but there seem to
be
> > > varying descriptions: perhaps "snapshots" from what KS was at a
> > > particular time? I am hoping for something I could read and absorb,
th=
en
> > > sit down with some RGBer and say "let's play KS", and be mostly on
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> > > same wavelength.
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> > The basics of KS and TOWELE are the same. I forget if the original KS
> > used Strong (and many of us do) or weak (as many others do) immediate
> > jump ****fts by Responder.
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> > K-S didn't have Bergen Raises or Inverted Majors, since Marty hadn't
> > yet learned to play Bridge when the system was defined and Kokish
> > barely had.
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> > K-S originally had "controlled psyches" (occasional 5-7HCP 1-level
> > openers) which are illegal today (under the "King or more below
> > average strength" prohibition)
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> > However, K-S did form the much of the foundation for what I call
> > "Modern US" bidding: Weak 1NT, Sound 1m openers, 2/1 FG, Weak 2s, STR
> > F ART 2C, and, I believe, Negative Doubles.
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> > I often say that the fact the Charlie Goren got the Broadcast Video
> > (what they then called "TV") gig, set back US bidding by about 30
> > years.
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> Michael,
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> I believe you are mistaken on a couple of points.
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> First, KS never included weak jump ****fts. =A0In fact, they used strong
> jump ****fts as psychic controls (the cheaper of NT or the opened suit
> showed a psyche).
I said that I wasn't sure about the Weak Jump ****fts.
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> Second, if by "inverted majors" you really meant "inverted minors,"
> then KS included those from the start. =A0If by "inverted majors" you
> are referring to the Roth-Stone forcing raise showing, in essence, a
> limit raise, then you are correct.
I did leave inverted minors off the list of K-S innovations although I
play them and believe that K-S did. "Inverted Majors" were definitiely
NOT one of K-S's innovations. I did mention them in the same constext
as Bergen raises. 1M-2M shows an invitational hand. 1M-3M is
preemptive. If your definition includes anything in between, you run
it through F1NT. I believe that they are a third millenium invention.
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> Third, the KS controlled psyche was defined as a suit at least as good
> as the QTxx in a balanced hand of 2-6 hcps that could not stand the
> lead of any other suit. =A06 points is, in fact, probably too strong for
> a controlled psyche, but I assume K and S were including a hand like
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> xxx
> xxx
> xxx
> AQxx
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> as the maximum possible hand, with
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> xxx
> xxx
> xxx
> QTxx
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> as the minimum hand.
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> Finally, historically, KS picked up the 5-card majors, forcing 1nt,
> and strong 2/1 responses from Roth and Stone, as they acknowledge in
> the 1958 edition of their system book. =A0To that extent, they are
> followers of R-S, and it is R-S who should be given credit for laying
> the foundation for most of what p***** for 2/1 bidding, especially as
> it gets filtered through Goldman's early versions of Aces Scientific.
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> BTW, what does TOWELE stand for? =A0I don't recall ever seeing that
> acronym before.
TOWELE is "Two over One, Weak Everything, Light Everything"
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