Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?

On May 12, 6:12=A0pm, Stig Holmquist <stigfjor...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Mon, 12 May 2008 14:19:55 -0700 (PDT), Nick France
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> >On May 12, 3:05=A0pm, Stig Holmquist <stigfjor...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> On Sun, 11 May 2008 16:33:20 -0400, Stig Holmquist
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> >> >Consider opening 1 D and partner responds 1 S what do I need to
rebid
> >> >2 C ? =A0Would =A0 x -xx -AJxxx- KQxxx be enough or must I have a
bett=
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> >> >hand? This hand meets the count of 20(22) but not my count of 15.
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> >> >Stig Holmquist
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> >> Some of the replies were interesting and some are irrelevant. It is
> >> worth noticing that the old Goren method for distributional counts
> >> comes up to 10+13 while todays ACBL standard counts only Karpin
points
> >> and thus gets only 12 and thus does not qualify for an opening bid.
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> >> Would it make a difference if the two long suits were majors or if
one
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> >> Stig
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> >Straight counting, this isn't an opening hand by basic Goren or Basic
> >Grant so I don't see your point on that. =A0It meets the rule of 22
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> >+ length +QT) and Bergen's rule of 20. =A0It has all its points in its
> >long suits and it has an easy rebid.
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> Why is it not an openr by basic Goren? It meets all the requirenments
> he spelled out in his 1973 comprehnsive book. It has 10 HCP+2 for
> singleton +1 for doubleton=3D 13 and it has a rebid.Please explain
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> >I'll open if its both minors, both majors or a major and a minor
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Since we are using simplified versions of systems, Goren requires 14
points to open, this hand is 13.  If you are going to start making
exceptions for Goren, you have to make similar exceptions for Grant
and others.  Seems only fair.

Nick France