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Re: Duplicating without duplimate

by Rob Morris <rm445@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 13, 2008 at 01:07 AM

Terry Faust wrote:
> On 7 May 2008 15:01:54 GMT, Matthew Johnson <mjj29@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
>> To solve this, I invented a scheme for producing duplicated boards
without a
>> duplimate machine. It also doesn't allow the people involved in the
process
>> to know what the hands are so it can be done by the players themselves.
> 
> Very interesting. I like hand records and would not object to using
> this for team matches where they are never available.
> 
> Have you thought of "systemizing" it so it could be used easy for the
> m***** to use at tournaments (I am thinking of ACBLland.)  That is,
> set it up as a simple procedure that can be easily followed.

Matt has produced instructions that are given out with the boards.  I'm 
sure they could be refined, but most bridge players should be able to 
cope intellectually with it.

As far as I can tell, everyone can understand and carry out the 
procedure, but mistakes still slip in.  I don't know if the mistakes are 
from players who are new and unsure of the method, or slip-ups by those 
of us who've done it a few times.  Anyway, when we distribute the 
results we often have to include notes of the form, "The record for Hand 
12 is wrong.  The HJ and D7 are swapped on Hand 15."  (We can't change 
the hand records as they're printed in advance, of course).

> One problem is that it requires two p***** and two people - one for
> each pass. Obviously it cannot be done in one pass by one person, but
> what if for simplicity, one person just did both p*****. Would this be
> too much of a security problem?

Probably.  Of course, we already trust players not to sneak a look at 
the hands while dealing etc, but it would be fairly easy to silently 
memorise the positions of a few of the cards if you were doing all the 
permutations yourself.

> In a team game, I guess each table could do the first pass with half
> of the boards and trade with the other table for the second pass --
> and then start playing.

More likely, they'd just trade with each other at the same table.  For 
example, you could do the first permutation and pass it to your LHO for 
stage 2.

> Are the piles labeled 1,2,3,4 or N,E,S,W? I assume the four piles
> would be put back into the board after the first pass for easy
> trans****t to the person doing the second pass?

The 4 piles from the first pass are stacked together, 1 on top of 2 on 
top of 3 on top of 4, so it's just a deck of cards (with the cards in a 
certain random order).

Hope this helps explain it.  Having hand records is a big plus for our 
little club.  Time will tell if we get really experienced with the 
system and start doing it flawlessly.

-- 
Rob Morris
arr em four four five (at) cam dot ac dot uk
 




 12 Posts in Topic:
Duplicating without duplimate
Matthew Johnson <mjj29  2008-05-07 15:01:54 
Re: Duplicating without duplimate
BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-05-07 13:37:50 
Re: Duplicating without duplimate
Alan Malloy <alan.NO.S  2008-05-07 11:10:42 
Re: Duplicating without duplimate
Michael Angelo Ravera <  2008-05-08 02:36:20 
Re: Duplicating without duplimate
Matthew Johnson <mjj29  2008-05-08 11:44:13 
Re: Duplicating without duplimate
msb@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (M  2008-05-07 17:30:26 
Re: Duplicating without duplimate
Matthew Johnson <mjj29  2008-05-08 08:45:12 
Re: Duplicating without duplimate
"Steve Foster"   2008-05-08 13:56:19 
Re: Duplicating without duplimate
Terry Faust <mguz@[EMA  2008-05-12 13:53:54 
Re: Duplicating without duplimate
Rob Morris <rm445@[EMA  2008-05-13 01:07:02 
Re: Duplicating without duplimate
Dave Flower <DavJFlowe  2008-05-13 01:03:38 
Re: Duplicating without duplimate
Terry Faust <mguz@[EMA  2008-05-13 11:04:29 

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