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Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?

by henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTECTED] May 12, 2008 at 01:35 PM

On May 12, 12:05 pm, Stig Holmquist <stigfjor...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> Would it make a difference if the two long suits were majors or if one
> were a major and the other a minor?

> Stig

***********

I think that even asking that question by someone who claims to be a
teacher is something unmentionable.

OF COURSE it matters whether the two long suits are majors or if
opener has a major-minor two suiter.  The more majors one has, the
more likely one is going to find a playable game at the 4-level in his
major.

Back when BWS was running its polls for the 1968 edition, Kaplan and
Rubens posed two sets of identical hands, the first of which was major
oriented and the second of which was minor oriented.  I think the two
sets of hands were

AJTxx
AJTxx
x
xx

versus

x
xx
AJTxx
AJTxx

and

AJTxxx
AJTx
x
xx

opposite

x
xx
AJTx
AJTxxx

in both cases, the expert panel voted overwhelmingly in favor of
opening the hands with long majors, and were split closer to even on
hands with both minors.

As mentioned previously, Stig is right to this extent:

opening light minor two suiters, when we are likely to be outbid in
the majors and which could allow light overcalls in a major, could
well be long term losing propositions.  In fact, if one were to wish
to follow the Roth-Stone dictum that changes of suit sound stronger
than rebids of the same suit, and if one were to decide that weak2s
are redundant in a light opening bid style, then one might with to
play that 2d = light with both minors, 2h = light with hearts and a
minor, 2s = light with 4 spades and a 6+ minor (say 9-13-ish points),
thereby allowing 1D-1M-2c or 1H-1S-2m to be 5-5 with extra values.
(Roth has always prefered the weak 1nt rebid to be a slowing down bid
showing a misfit and not necessarily a balanced hand.  it is one
aspect of his constructive bidding approach that could come close to
be a common, if not plurality, view.)

Henrysun909
 




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What does 1D rebid 2C show?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-11 16:33:20 
Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?
Histriadogsilver <andj  2008-05-11 13:49:01 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-11 14:00:13 
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Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl  2008-05-11 17:52:43 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-11 17:07:12 
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"raija d" <m  2008-05-11 21:24:02 
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Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl  2008-05-11 17:03:49 
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Nick France <gandalfnf  2008-05-11 14:05:58 
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Bob Lipton <boblipton@  2008-05-11 17:47:13 
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CBFalconer <cbfalconer  2008-05-12 23:00:36 
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Will in New Haven <bil  2008-05-11 16:58:22 
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Nick France <gandalfnf  2008-05-12 07:08:57 
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Otis Bricker <obricker  2008-05-13 10:16:26 
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Nick France <gandalfnf  2008-05-13 09:25:34 
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Otis Bricker <obricker  2008-05-13 22:04:15 
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Hans Georg Schaathun <  2008-05-15 15:30:48 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-15 09:59:56 
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Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-05-15 12:05:43 
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Hans Georg Schaathun <  2008-05-15 19:36:46 
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CBFalconer <cbfalconer  2008-05-15 15:34:05 
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Alan Malloy <alan.NO.S  2008-05-15 12:59:06 
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CBFalconer <cbfalconer  2008-05-15 16:20:24 
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Alan Malloy <alan.NO.S  2008-05-15 14:42:24 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-15 16:13:38 
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Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-05-15 17:59:41 
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Hans Georg Schaathun <  2008-05-16 08:06:53 
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CBFalconer <cbfalconer  2008-05-16 07:12:11 
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Hans Georg Schaathun <  2008-05-16 14:18:00 
Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-15 18:31:46 
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CBFalconer <cbfalconer  2008-05-15 21:21:49 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-15 23:17:36 
Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?
CBFalconer <cbfalconer  2008-05-16 07:08:09 
Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?
Alan Malloy <alan.NO.S  2008-05-16 09:17:48 
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CBFalconer <cbfalconer  2008-05-16 18:17:56 
Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?
Bob Lipton <boblipton@  2008-05-16 18:46:41 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-16 09:12:23 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-16 09:18:00 
Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?
Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-05-16 11:13:56 
Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?
Hans Georg Schaathun <  2008-05-16 20:07:55 
Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-16 21:51:20 
Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?
Eric Leong <ewleongusa  2008-05-11 23:23:14 
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OldPalooka <ashutts1@[  2008-05-12 09:33:33 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-12 09:53:52 
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OldPalooka <ashutts1@[  2008-05-12 10:16:35 
Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?
Otis Bricker <obricker  2008-05-13 22:08:30 
Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-12 10:29:48 
Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?
"Lorne" <lor  2008-05-12 19:54:28 
Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-12 15:05:20 
Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-12 13:35:57 
Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?
Nick France <gandalfnf  2008-05-12 14:19:55 
Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-12 18:12:54 
Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?
Nick France <gandalfnf  2008-05-13 09:22:52 
Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-13 14:40:23 
Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?
CBFalconer <cbfalconer  2008-05-13 16:51:20 
Re: What does 1D rebid 2C show?
Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-05-12 12:53:50 

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