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Re: (online) Seeking a rule for when is XX SOS

by Michael Angelo Ravera <maravera@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 12, 2008 at 10:32 AM

On May 12, 9:01=A0am, henrysun...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> On May 12, 8:42 am, gaze...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Kenny McCormack)
> wrote:
>
> > As many of you know, XX for SOS is dangerous online, because your
> > pd-of-the-moment might not catch it. =A0It seems to me that it ought
to =
be
> > possible to come up with some (very) simple rules, that one could put
in=

> > one's "profile", that even the thickest online pd couldn't screw up.
>
> > I'm thinking it would be: =A0XX is SOS except... (when it obviously
isn'=
t):
>
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 1) 1x (X) XX - is obviously a "normal" (whatever that
me=
ans)
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 sequence. =A0What the XX shows and what opener
i=
s supposed to do
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 is less than clear, but that's another story.
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 2) Constructive sequences where we are bidding to
make, =
and we
> > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 really do think they've stepped in it.
>
> > So, how to codify the above and make it bulletproof?
>
> I'd much rather take the opposite approach: =A0a redouble is SOS only
> when we define it to be SOS. =A0Here are a couple of rules I think are
> unassailable:
>
> (1) a redouble is SOS if and only if a takeout double has been
> converted into a penalty double by advancer.
>
> (2) =A0a redouble is SOS of the "doubt showing" variety if they have
> made a penalty double of our freely bid game in a competitive auction.
>
> So an easy example of option one would be:
>
> 1c (x) p (p); ? =A0Redouble should show a balanced hand with multiple
> places to play, hoping to find the cheapest 7-8 card fit. =A0Whether it
> should show 3 clubs only, or 3-4 clubs (I assume that with 5 clubs,
> opener will probably take his medicine in 1cx) is a different
> question.
>
> An example of option two would be:
>
> 1d (2c) 3c (p);
> 3d (p) =A0 3h (p);
> 3s (p) =A0 3nt (x);
> xx
>
> Responder has shown a limit raise or better in diamonds; opener signed
> off with a minimum. =A0Responder showed heart cards, opener spade cards,
> and responder placed the contract.
>
> Advancer's double calls for a club lead and is probably being made on
> a club honor and a diamond stack, perhaps xxxx; xx; QT9x; Kxx.
> Opener's redouble warns that he can provide no club help and/or has a
> non-running diamond suit and invites responder to run if he was
> gambling on 9 fast tricks with a club lead.

I mostly agree with Henry, except that it would be better to include
the provision "the redouble doesn't give you a game bonus that the
double didn't already" and "there is at least some chance that you
have a better place to play at the current level".

The most common SOS (what I call "Ranlaikhel") redouble will occur
playing strong no trump when Opener bids 1m and direct Overcaller's
takeout double is converted for penalties and opener has only a 3-card
suit (or a 2-card suit, if you play that way) or Protector's double is
passed for penatlies and responder initially passed with a bust and
shortness in the opener's suit.

Ranlaikhel redoubles are exceedingly infrequent playing weak no trump
for two reasons:

1) Responder usually bids the first time around when she has a better
place to play, even if she has very little strength expecting that
opener will rebid 1NT

2)  Since Opener has often promised a rebid, he often just makes it
instead of a Ranlaikhel redouble.
 




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(online) Seeking a rule for when is XX SOS
gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-12 15:42:05 
Re: (online) Seeking a rule for when is XX SOS
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-12 09:01:27 
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Michael Angelo Ravera <  2008-05-12 10:32:57 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-12 20:58:07 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-12 14:10:18 
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Kent Feiler <zzzz@[EMA  2008-05-13 06:08:17 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-13 11:49:21 
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R  2008-05-17 09:09:10 
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"Lorne" <lor  2008-05-12 19:37:05 
Re: (online) Seeking a rule for when is XX SOS
Bill Jacobs <bill.jaco  2008-05-13 01:34:19 
Re: (online) Seeking a rule for when is XX SOS
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-13 19:42:55 
Re: (online) Seeking a rule for when is XX SOS
Bill Jacobs <bill.jaco  2008-05-14 06:08:26 
Re: (online) Seeking a rule for when is XX SOS
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-15 18:25:38 
Re: (online) Seeking a rule for when is XX SOS
Ron Johnson <johnson@[  2008-05-16 12:56:54 
Re: (online) Seeking a rule for when is XX SOS
Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-05-16 13:47:40 
Re: (online) Seeking a rule for when is XX SOS
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-16 20:39:25 
Re: (online) Seeking a rule for when is XX SOS
CBFalconer <cbfalconer  2008-05-12 23:26:41 
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patmpowers@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-12 23:58:43 
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Free <fstaelens@[EMAIL  2008-05-13 03:10:44 
Re: (online) Seeking a rule for when is XX SOS
gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-05-13 11:48:35 
Re: (online) Seeking a rule for when is XX SOS
Bill Jacobs <bill.jaco  2008-05-14 00:47:26 

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