Re: What Do You Bid with AKx, x, AJ8x, AQJ7x?

On May 6, 1:55=A0pm, henrysun...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> On May 6, 6:55 am, Eric Leong <ewleong...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> Well Eric, I sent Andy's problem to Rubens at the BW. =A0His response
> was that he didn't feel too strongly about bidding or passing 2C; that
> the upside of 2c was probably a small plus our way (presumably in 3c)
> whereas the upside of passing is a small plus defending the final
> contract. =A0He himself opined that he would probably pass but would in
> no way consider bidding 2c an error.
>
> There are, beliieve it not, places where experienced bridge players -
> even those who don't run or didn't run a publi****ng house and do not
> have the financial wherewithall to play with professional players -
> even so, there are places where experienced bridge players can
> disagree, whether due to temperment (I want to get my bid in fast and
> early and not have to worry about it later and thus I am a busy
> bidder, especially in obstructive situations) or other factors.
>
> You can think that passing 1s is clearly right and a long term
> simulation might show that you are right. =A0I never said, anywhere,
> that passing was obviously wrong.
>
> I will stand by my claim that the assertion that passing has no
> downside and bidding has no upside is however obviously wrong.
>
> (I could insert some snide comment such as 'how are we to know that
> they don't have
>
> JT9xx
> QJTx
> x
> xxx
>
> Qxx
> AKxx
> xxxx
> KT
>
> where we might be on for 5d (lose a heart and a club, but that would
> be uncalled for).
>
> Henrysun909

(I could insert some snide comment such as 'how are we to know that
the hands aren't

            S xxxxx
            H Jxxx
            D xxx
            C x

S -                        S QJ109x
H KQxx                 H Axxx
D KQxxx               D --
C Kxx                   C 109xx
             S AKx
             H x
             D AJxx
             C AQJxx

Where the play goes:

Opening lead: D K

Defense:

1.     DK     Dx    *Cx    Dx
2.    *Cx     Sx      SQ   SK
3.     Dx     Dx     *Cx    Dx
4.    *Cx     Sx      SJ    SA
5.     Dx     Dx     *C9    DJ
6.     DQ    Sx     *S10   Sx
7.    *HQ    Hx      Hx    Hx
8.     Dx     Sx     *C10  DA
9.    *CK    Cx       S x   CQ

Result -1100

but that would be uncalled for).

Please note of the two choices Jeff chose to pass rather than bid 2C.
The question is what you define as an "error"
For example, suppose one alternative bidding action is not an error in
the sense it is not a major blunder.
However, if another alternative action has a better expectation then
choosing the inferior action can be defined as an error.
In your particular examples, you have to construct almost a fairyland
examples to miss game in 5C and 5D at the five level to win 600. In my
particular examples, you can go for as much as -1100 or -800
immediately on the two level.
You may call 2C not an error but that there plenty of casinos in Las
Vegas that are open 24/7 to take your action and make a good living at
it.

Eric Leong