Re: What Do You Bid with AKx, x, AJ8x, AQJ7x?

On May 5, 10:05=A0am, henrysun...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 5, 7:48 am, Eric Leong <ewleong...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 5, 5:21 am, henrysun...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On May 5, 1:31 am, Andrew <agump...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > Vul on Vul
> > > > online IMP Pairs
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> > > > You hold:
> > > > S: AKx
> > > > H: x
> > > > D: AJ8x
> > > > C: AQJ7x
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> > > > Auction:
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> > > > South =A0 =A0 West =A0 =A0 North =A0 =A0 East
> > > > (1D) =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0P =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0(1S) =A0 =A0 =A0 ?
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> > > > Andrew
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> > > 2c, =A0What's the problem?
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> > > For the folks who think that pass is clear, because the odds are
that
> > > we won't make game, I would agree with them.
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> > > Still, is it so much to ask for
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> > > xx
> > > xxxx
> > > xxxx
> > > Kxx
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> > > where we can contest the auction and perhaps drive the opponents to
> > > the 3 level, where we might set them? =A0+100 versus -110 is still a
> > > decent swing.
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> > > Henrysun909
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> > If you want to act why do you have to put your neck on the block and
> > act now?
> > For example, if LHO was going to bid 2C are more or less happy that
> > you bid 2C now?
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> > Eric Leong
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> Well, obviously I'm not going to be happy if I overcall 2c and LHO was
> going to bid 2c AND they have a way to penalize me (somewhat less
> frequent in these days of sup****t doubles than in the days of penalty
> doubles).
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> On the other hand, if by some chance the 4 hands are
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 xxxxx
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 T8
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Kxxxx
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> QJxx =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0T9xxx
> Ax =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 KQJxx
> KQxxxx =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0x
> x =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 xx
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 AKx
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 AJ9x
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0AQJxx
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> I'd rather be in 5c, making, than to be frozen out of the auction
> after 1d (p) 1s (p) 3s (p) p ? =A0Would I really find a 4c overcall now?
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> Look, I don't dispute the fact that overcalling 2c is potentially
> risky. =A0And I wouldn't criticize someone who chose to pass instead of
> overcalling 2c.
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> I do object to the idea that passing has no downside and overcalling
> has no upside. =A0Even on a layout where the West-East hands are
> something like
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> Qxx =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 JTxxx
> Ax =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 KQx
> KQxx =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 xx
> KTxx =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0xxx
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> It might be MORE dangerous to balance with 3c than to overcall 2c. =A0If
> the opps are using sup****t doubles, then the auction will go 1d (p) 1s
> (2c); x (p) 2s all pass. =A0But if I let West make his natural raise to
> 2s, then aftet 1d (p) 1s (p); 2s (p) p 3c, I am much more likely to
> declare 3c, down many, and perhaps down many doubled if West is in a
> gambling mood.

If you have to bid 3C after this auction, you should count yourself
fortunate enough to not be shot with a double by either opponent or
not be shot by partner with a gun.


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> Henrysun909-

For you to construct your upside, you needed to give partner massive
club sup****t headed by the king, short spades, short diamonds, and the
presumption the partner****p is going to get there.

To construct a downside all you need to construct a hand for LHO three
levels lower with four clubs or more.

What can I say?  Your bidding judgement tells you that your upside
construction at the five level is far more likely than a simple
construction at the two level.

Eric Leong