Re: What Do You Bid with AKx, x, AJ8x, AQJ7x?

henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> On May 5, 7:48 am, Eric Leong <ewleong...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On May 5, 5:21 am, henrysun...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 5, 1:31 am, Andrew <agump...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> Vul on Vul
>>>> online IMP Pairs
>>>> You hold:
>>>> S: AKx
>>>> H: x
>>>> D: AJ8x
>>>> C: AQJ7x
>>>> Auction:
>>>> South     West     North     East
>>>> (1D)        P          (1S)       ?
>>>> Andrew
>>> 2c,  What's the problem?
>>> For the folks who think that pass is clear, because the odds are that
>>> we won't make game, I would agree with them.
>>> Still, is it so much to ask for
>>> xx
>>> xxxx
>>> xxxx
>>> Kxx
>>> where we can contest the auction and perhaps drive the opponents to
>>> the 3 level, where we might set them?  +100 versus -110 is still a
>>> decent swing.
>>> Henrysun909
>> If you want to act why do you have to put your neck on the block and
>> act now?
>> For example, if LHO was going to bid 2C are more or less happy that
>> you bid 2C now?
>>
>> Eric Leong
> 
> Well, obviously I'm not going to be happy if I overcall 2c and LHO was
> going to bid 2c AND they have a way to penalize me (somewhat less
> frequent in these days of sup****t doubles than in the days of penalty
> doubles).
> 
> On the other hand, if by some chance the 4 hands are
> 
>                   x
>                   xxxxx
>                   T8
>                   Kxxxx
> 
> QJxx                        T9xxx
> Ax                             KQJxx
> KQxxxx                      x
> x                               xx
> 
>                   AKx
>                   x
>                   AJ9x
>                    AQJxx
> 
> I'd rather be in 5c, making, than to be frozen out of the auction
> after 1d (p) 1s (p) 3s (p) p ?  Would I really find a 4c overcall now?
> 
> Look, I don't dispute the fact that overcalling 2c is potentially
> risky.  And I wouldn't criticize someone who chose to pass instead of
> overcalling 2c.
> 
> I do object to the idea that passing has no downside and overcalling
> has no upside.  Even on a layout where the West-East hands are
> something like
> 
> Qxx                   JTxxx
> Ax                     KQx
> KQxx                 xx
> KTxx                  xxx
> 
> It might be MORE dangerous to balance with 3c than to overcall 2c.  If
> the opps are using sup****t doubles, then the auction will go 1d (p) 1s
> (2c); x (p) 2s all pass.  But if I let West make his natural raise to
> 2s, then aftet 1d (p) 1s (p); 2s (p) p 3c, I am much more likely to
> declare 3c, down many, and perhaps down many doubled if West is in a
> gambling mood.
> 


Henry, I don't deny that such hands occur, but they are chimeras.  You 
are not going to get to five clubs with such a hand and the loss, absent 
that, is 100 points, 3 IMPs.  You are looking for excuses to bid.  I 
prefer to listen.

  Bob