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Re: I've been wondering

by =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R.?= <jurgenr@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 5, 2008 at 05:05 PM

<henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
news:286ca030-42c4-4591-ae72-319cf5074c6c@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 May 5, 6:00 am, Jürgen R. <jurg...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>>Yes, of course you will play the system that you know best, and
>>if the difference in system produces wild swings, the score is
>>simply less of a measure of skill and more like playing
>>roulette than it would be of both played the same system.
>>This can't be helped, unfortunately.

****************

>Sorry to disagree, but that's one of the most ignorant comments about
>bridge that I've ever read.

Are you quite sure? I thought I knew one or two people who are even
more ignoraant than I am...

>When the US teams in the 1950's were winning champion****ps based on
>Goren and then the Italians started winning champion****ps based on
>artificial club systems, were they playing roulette?

>When in 1970 and 1971, the Taiwanese teams in the Bermuda Bowl
>actually got to the semi-finals twice using Precision, at the time an
>unheard of combination of strong club, 5 card majors, weak 1nt, and
>some simple asking bids, was that playing roulette?

>How about the run of the sponsored Precision team in the US, which won
>Spingolds in 1970 and 1971 and the Vanderbilt in 1972?  Were they
>playing Roulette by using a non-standard system?

I forgot to take into account that you might consider your
system to be better than the system that Meckwell play.
Needless to say, I don't know whether this is the case.

One reason why Precision and other artificial Club
systems succeeded is that they are sound; another,
that they were new and defenses were not well developed.

>You are certainly entitled to your view that playing something non
>mainstream introduces a non-controllable variable into the game.  You
>might even want to call it roulette because it makes you feel better.

I called it "more like roulette", meaning that it increases the element
of chance and, consequently, decreases the relative significance
of skill. That this is the case is not a matter of opinion.

>But that is far from making it the only viable view.  Even someone as
>middle of the road as Lawrence has written that the best way to throw
>off a partner****p that is heavily invested in the Law of Total Tricks
>is to play 4-card majors and raise freely on 3.  His view is that what
>the 4 card majors approach loses in scientific accuracy is wins back
>in the competitive trenches.

This is right and the reason is simple: You do not in fact
know your opponents' trump fit; hence you know neither the 'Total
Trumps' nor the 'Total Tricks', and and the approach Lawrence
describes will make your guess wrong when they have only a
7-card fit and nevertheless compete.

>To my way of thinking, Lawrence is certainly right.  All I've done is
>put his comment into a weak 1nt context instead of a strong 1nt
>context.  Hell, Irving Litvack and Joe Silver once played a strong
>club with a weak 1nt and 4 card majors - which has to be the most most
>anti-field allowable system ever, excepting those of the weak opening
>bid variety.

>Henrysun909
 




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I've been wondering
"Blind Broccoli"  2008-05-04 15:59:02 
Re: I've been wondering
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 10:11:37 
Re: I've been wondering
=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R  2008-05-04 23:42:07 
Re: I've been wondering
Tim <thg@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 14:58:19 
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R  2008-05-05 14:21:00 
Re: I've been wondering
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 16:59:43 
Re: I've been wondering
Bob Lipton <boblipton@  2008-05-04 21:08:55 
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R  2008-05-05 15:00:04 
Re: I've been wondering
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-05 05:49:16 
Re: I've been wondering
Bob Lipton <boblipton@  2008-05-05 09:17:02 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-05-05 10:44:17 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-05 06:22:40 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-05-05 10:53:35 
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Rob Morris <rm445@[EMA  2008-05-05 15:12:42 
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R  2008-05-05 17:05:29 
Re: I've been wondering
Histriadogsilver <andj  2008-05-04 12:04:25 
Re: I've been wondering
Andrew <agumperz@[EMAI  2008-05-04 16:17:56 
Re: I've been wondering
"Blind Broccoli"  2008-05-06 04:38:57 
Re: I've been wondering
Andrew <agumperz@[EMAI  2008-05-06 11:43:20 
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CBFalconer <cbfalconer  2008-05-04 22:00:18 
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Tim <thg@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 20:34:50 
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CBFalconer <cbfalconer  2008-05-05 03:16:27 
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Gerben Dirksen <gerben  2008-05-05 06:57:42 

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