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Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?

by Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 2, 2008 at 03:12 PM

Andrew wrote:
> On May 1, 10:07 pm, Martin Ambuhl <mamb...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>>> On May 1, 4:42 pm, Stig Holmquist <stigfjor...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 1 May 2008 14:49:25 -0700 (PDT), Andrew <agump...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> If anything it is a
>>>> deficit and should not be used to add value to a hand. I would go as
>>>> far as saying count no length points for minor suits for opening
bids.
>>>> Depend solely on HCPs when opening a minor suit bid. Your HCP is the
>>>> only asset you have. E.g. holding 5-5 in the minors would today add 2
>>>> points to the HCP count but seems to be an overvaluation.
>>> Actual in R+R wouldn't you add 5 points for that shape? 2 for the
>>> singleton, 1 for the doubleton and 1 for the 5th card in each minor?
>>> But yes, when you think of your goal as getting to a game contract,
>>> then adding 5 distribution points seems excessive.
>> It is clear from the above that Andrew's previously posted objections
to
>> R-R were based on nothing more than ignorance.
> 
> It should be clear by now that Martin is interested only in ad hominem
> attacks rather than debating issues.

No, Andrew.  I responded to your earlier criticisms as if you were 
making informed criticisms.  No longer is there any doubt:  you have 
posted critisms of something that you know nothing of.  I repent my 
earlier treatment of you as a rational, informed person who had made 
some ill-judged criticisms.  The previous lack of any substantive 
critique should have warned me:  your later post to which I replied 
above shows that you have absolutely no grasp of R-R evaluation.  Since 
you are criticizing something you created out of your own ignorance, 
having nothing to do with what you claimed to criticize, it is clear 
that you have _no_ rational content to your criticism of R-R.  It is not 
an ad hominem attack to point out that your criticism is completely
vacuous.
 




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What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-01 07:35:30 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Histriadogsilver <andj  2008-05-01 05:27:52 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Kevin Podsiadlik <KPod  2008-05-01 13:44:32 
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paulhigh@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-01 07:22:20 
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Otis Bricker <obricker  2008-05-01 11:32:46 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-01 09:39:50 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
OldPalooka <ashutts1@[  2008-05-01 10:33:02 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-01 10:57:56 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-01 14:55:26 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Andrew <agumperz@[EMAI  2008-05-01 18:45:30 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
StevieTee <stevts@[EMA  2008-05-01 11:57:23 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-01 16:14:28 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
gearem@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-01 17:54:07 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
"raija d" <m  2008-05-02 07:03:20 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Andrew <agumperz@[EMAI  2008-05-01 14:49:25 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl  2008-05-01 18:42:07 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-01 19:42:14 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-01 16:48:23 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Andrew <agumperz@[EMAI  2008-05-01 18:30:36 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl  2008-05-02 01:07:09 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-02 08:19:38 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 05:26:28 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-04 10:49:28 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-04 18:37:24 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Bob Lipton <boblipton@  2008-05-04 19:12:09 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-05 06:29:00 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Andrew <agumperz@[EMAI  2008-05-01 19:47:03 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-01 19:56:09 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Andrew <agumperz@[EMAI  2008-05-02 01:35:15 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl  2008-05-02 15:12:44 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 08:04:15 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Histriadogsilver <andj  2008-05-04 09:39:46 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Histriadogsilver <andj  2008-05-04 10:01:18 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
OldPalooka <ashutts1@[  2008-05-05 06:19:53 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-02 08:25:46 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Andrew <agumperz@[EMAI  2008-05-02 12:53:00 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl  2008-05-02 16:40:25 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-03 06:32:01 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl  2008-05-03 12:32:11 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
OldPalooka <ashutts1@[  2008-05-02 17:06:27 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Histriadogsilver <andj  2008-05-03 10:53:59 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-03 19:28:49 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Histriadogsilver <andj  2008-05-03 16:53:08 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Histriadogsilver <andj  2008-05-03 17:02:32 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-03 20:44:07 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Histriadogsilver <andj  2008-05-03 17:46:40 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Andrew <agumperz@[EMAI  2008-05-03 18:31:57 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-04 07:03:49 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
StevieTee <stevts@[EMA  2008-05-04 00:52:37 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-04 07:05:54 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
"raija d" <m  2008-05-04 08:45:47 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 05:32:08 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 05:40:58 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-04 14:22:52 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Histriadogsilver <andj  2008-05-01 16:21:40 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Bob Lipton <boblipton@  2008-05-01 20:58:51 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Histriadogsilver <andj  2008-05-01 18:20:20 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Bill Jacobs <bill.jaco  2008-05-02 01:04:38 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
"raija d" <m  2008-05-01 18:27:17 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Chris <chriswiggins@[E  2008-05-03 21:43:59 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-03 22:49:56 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl  2008-05-04 03:43:18 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Bob Lipton <boblipton@  2008-05-04 08:12:33 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-06 09:20:00 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-06 07:49:19 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-06 12:50:42 

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