Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?

On May 1, 7:27 am, Histriadogsilver <andjelka.rich...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
> On May 1, 1:35 pm, Stig Holmquist <stigfjor...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Forty years ago two oustanding bridge players, Alvin Roth and Jeff
> > Rubens, wrote the book 'Modern Bridge Bidding Complete".
> > It featured the Roth Point count Method.
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> > This method is similar to the British combination distributuin count.
> > It is based on the standard Work  point count for HCP plus Goren's
> > short suit count of 1,2 and 3 for ddoubletons, singletons and voids
> > resp. but also adds points for suits longer than five cards.
> > Specifically it counts 1 pt for each card over five for any major suit
> > but counts such length points only for "good" minor suits having at
> > least two  of the top three honor cards.
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> > Has any r.g.b. member ever used this method and if so, what are its
> > shortcomngs? It specifically does not count quick tricks.Why is this
> > method never mentioned any more?
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> > Stig Holmquist
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> In my opinion, in the future only a point count method capable of
> recognizing that a specific hand can suddenly grow from a relatively
> weak hand to a big hand will be taken in consideration by serious
> players.
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> Boris

Actually, if you continue on to the second half of Roth's book, he
does go into quite a fair amount of detail about promoting and
demoting holdings based on how the bidding proceeds.

One should also note that the book more than compensates for the
effective double-counting of distribution by declaring 14 "Roth
points" as the threshold for a (first or second seat) opening bid.