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Re: Bobby Wolff book

by henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTECTED] May 1, 2008 at 12:07 PM

On May 1, 11:55 am, Henk Uijterwaal <he...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> John Blubaugh wrote:
> > On May 1, 8:09 am, henrysun...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> >> On Apr 30, 6:28 pm, John Blubaugh <jbluba...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> >> The head director at the
> >> tournament (Kojak) informed Wolff that according to the the extensive
> >> rules of the WBF Tournament, Lightner Doubles were indeed alertable.
> >> Wolff adjourned the appeals committee and reopened it as a tournament
> >> committee and moved that Lightner Doubles would not be alertable at
> >> WBF tournaments retroactive to the start of the tournament.
>
> The write-up (AC Decisions from ABQ 1994, ISBN 0-939470-55-6), case
> 34 says:
>
> (NS bid 6H, doubled by RHO of declarer, down 3 on a defensive crossruff,
> NS said that if they knew that the double was Lightner, they'd bid 6N).
>
> TD: The TD believed that all bridge players used this double, so it was
>   no necessary to alert.  Table result stood.
>
> AC: The AC (Wolff, Beineix, Endicott, Polisner and Sandsmark) agreed
that
>   the a Lightner double was not alertable.
>
> After the hearing, Kojak informed that in the past there had been
rulings
>   where a Lightner double was considered to be alertable.
>
> (I guess he referred to a ruling in the 1992 Olympiad, where the
committee
> decided that a Lightner double was alertable but made no adjustment.  In
> the 1989 Europeans, a Lightner double was ruled as alertable and an
> adjustment was made).
>
> Wolff, as WBF president, reformed the committee as a tournament
committee
> and moved that Lightner doubles were specifically added to the list of
> non alertable conventions.  The committee agreed and the CoC were
amended.
>
> The experts (***mings, Kooijman and Goldman) agreed with the ruling and
> the addition to the CoC.
>
> >> this is one of the most disturbing things I've ever read about.  In
> >> the first place, how dare they change the conditions of contest in
the
> >> middle of an event and make it retroactive to the beginning of the
> >> tournament?  Second, how dare they do that and then not invite all
> >> 'lightner double' boards into appeal for review for a failure to
alert
> >> and adjustment?
>
> Well, the tournament committee is allowed to amend the CoC during the
> contest in order to clarify things _or_ to deal with cases that aren't
> covered in the CoC.  As there was confusion about the alertability of
> this double, I think Wolff did the right thing to clarify this.
>
> I couldn't find any other cases related to lightner doubles in the
> write-ups, so the second point is moot.  (I'm also not sure if the
> decision was retroactive, but I take John's word for that).
>
> >> As I said, very disturbing.
>
> I think this one is OK, not that this make me a Wolff fan.
>
> Henk
>
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Henk,

thanks for the clarification.  Based on your re****t of the decision,
it appears that John has misremembered the situation.  While there was
a reformation of the appeals committee as a tournament committee,

(1) they did not make the Lightner double alertable, but affirmed that
it was non-alertable;
(2) since Lightner doubles were not made alertable, the issue of going
back to the beginning of the tournament is not relevant;
(3) my faith in experts everywhere knowing that the double of a freely
bid slam is probably lead directing is restored.

Henrysun909
 




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