On May 1, 8:03 am, patpowerss...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 1, 3:48 am, "raija d" <musti...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > "Adam Beneschan" <a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Apr 30, 10:18 am, henrysun...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > >> On Apr 30, 9:13 am, chas...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > >> > Could anyone point me to a website containg detailed sayc system
> > >> > notes.
> > >> > Or maybe the definitive book, if there is one.
> > >> > I have some of the basic summaries but none of these are very
detailed
> > >> > Thanks
> > >> > Chas
> > >> > England
>
> > >> You might want to check out:
>
> > >> Standard Bidding With Sayc (Paperback) by Ned Downey (Author),
Ellen
> > >> Pomer (Author)
>
> > >> It is available at Amazon for $13 (plus whatever ****pping and
handling
> > >> is involved).
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> > >> I've not read the book, but to my knowledge it is the only book
length
> > >> treatment of the system.
>
> > > I haven't read the book either, but just based on what you say, if
> > > it's a book-length treatment that costs $13, it's probably not
> > > strictly SAYC. Which means it recommends or discusses some other
> > > treatments/conventions that aren't part of the SAYC system. OK, I'm
> > > just guessing, but I'm rather suspicious.
>
> > > That isn't a problem if your goal is to adopt a playable bidding
> > > system. But depending on how clear the book is, it could be
confusing
> > > if it leads someone to believe that something is "part of SAYC"
> > > because the book says so, but it isn't, and then they sit down to
play
> > > online with someone who says they're playing SAYC and they assume a
> > > certain bid means a certain thing because the book says so but their
> > > SAYC partner hasn't read the book and then they have a disastrous
> > > misunderstanding.
>
> > > So here I am leveling criticism at a book I haven't read---probably
a
> > > skill I learned in high school, after writing several papers about
> > > books I never bothered to open---but anyone who actually has read
the
> > > book, please feel free to tell my I'm wrong.
>
> > > -- Adam
>
> > Well, I haven't read the book either, but even so I am inclined to
agree
> > with you. There is not enough in SAYC to fill a book, IMO, so your
guess
> > would be my guess also, unless it is in large text and spells out
*every*
> > auction in SAYC.
>
> > The book was written to make money, obviously, like any book written.
If
> > the motive were "helping people learn SAYC" it would be free. SAYC
notes
> > are free from several sources.
>
> I think getting a thorough understanding of the subtleties of SAYC is
> a waste of time since this would only serve to confuse your online
> pickup partners. 90% of them won't know the basics. The winning
> strategy is an understanding of the withered variant that they
> actually play, and bidding crudely with the aim of avoiding disaster.
Likely true now, but something fairly close to SAYC was often played
in high stakes rubber and pickup IMP games across the US up to about
20 years ago while I still indulged. Having a deep understanding of
the system to apply with and against the winners and an equally deep
understanding of how to apply it with and against the losers was a
matter of some im****tance.
== Bill Shutts
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