On May 1, 3:48 am, "raija d" <musti...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> "Adam Beneschan" <a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> news:55a25eac-aedc-426e-80a5-1d8417840ca4@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Apr 30, 10:18 am, henrysun...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> >> On Apr 30, 9:13 am, chas...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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> >> > Could anyone point me to a website containg detailed sayc system
> >> > notes.
> >> > Or maybe the definitive book, if there is one.
> >> > I have some of the basic summaries but none of these are very
detailed
> >> > Thanks
> >> > Chas
> >> > England
>
> >> You might want to check out:
>
> >> Standard Bidding With Sayc (Paperback) by Ned Downey (Author), Ellen
> >> Pomer (Author)
>
> >> It is available at Amazon for $13 (plus whatever ****pping and
handling
> >> is involved).
>
> >> I've not read the book, but to my knowledge it is the only book
length
> >> treatment of the system.
>
> > I haven't read the book either, but just based on what you say, if
> > it's a book-length treatment that costs $13, it's probably not
> > strictly SAYC. Which means it recommends or discusses some other
> > treatments/conventions that aren't part of the SAYC system. OK, I'm
> > just guessing, but I'm rather suspicious.
>
> > That isn't a problem if your goal is to adopt a playable bidding
> > system. But depending on how clear the book is, it could be confusing
> > if it leads someone to believe that something is "part of SAYC"
> > because the book says so, but it isn't, and then they sit down to play
> > online with someone who says they're playing SAYC and they assume a
> > certain bid means a certain thing because the book says so but their
> > SAYC partner hasn't read the book and then they have a disastrous
> > misunderstanding.
>
> > So here I am leveling criticism at a book I haven't read---probably a
> > skill I learned in high school, after writing several papers about
> > books I never bothered to open---but anyone who actually has read the
> > book, please feel free to tell my I'm wrong.
>
> > -- Adam
>
> Well, I haven't read the book either, but even so I am inclined to agree
> with you. There is not enough in SAYC to fill a book, IMO, so your
guess
> would be my guess also, unless it is in large text and spells out
*every*
> auction in SAYC.
>
> The book was written to make money, obviously, like any book written.
If
> the motive were "helping people learn SAYC" it would be free. SAYC
notes
> are free from several sources.
I think getting a thorough understanding of the subtleties of SAYC is
a waste of time since this would only serve to confuse your online
pickup partners. 90% of them won't know the basics. The winning
strategy is an understanding of the withered variant that they
actually play, and bidding crudely with the aim of avoiding disaster.
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