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What's wrong with the Roth point count?

by Stig Holmquist <stigfjorden@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 1, 2008 at 07:35 AM

Forty years ago two oustanding bridge players, Alvin Roth and Jeff
Rubens, wrote the book 'Modern Bridge Bidding Complete".
It featured the Roth Point count Method.

This method is similar to the British combination distributuin count. 
It is based on the standard Work  point count for HCP plus Goren's
short suit count of 1,2 and 3 for ddoubletons, singletons and voids
resp. but also adds points for suits longer than five cards.
Specifically it counts 1 pt for each card over five for any major suit
but counts such length points only for "good" minor suits having at
least two  of the top three honor cards. 

Has any r.g.b. member ever used this method and if so, what are its
shortcomngs? It specifically does not count quick tricks.Why is this
method never mentioned any more?

Stig Holmquist




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What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-01 07:35:30 
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Histriadogsilver <andj  2008-05-01 05:27:52 
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Kevin Podsiadlik <KPod  2008-05-01 13:44:32 
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paulhigh@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-01 07:22:20 
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Otis Bricker <obricker  2008-05-01 11:32:46 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-01 09:39:50 
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OldPalooka <ashutts1@[  2008-05-01 10:33:02 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-01 10:57:56 
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Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-01 14:55:26 
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Andrew <agumperz@[EMAI  2008-05-01 18:45:30 
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StevieTee <stevts@[EMA  2008-05-01 11:57:23 
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Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-01 16:14:28 
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gearem@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-05-01 17:54:07 
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"raija d" <m  2008-05-02 07:03:20 
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Andrew <agumperz@[EMAI  2008-05-01 14:49:25 
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Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl  2008-05-01 18:42:07 
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Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-01 19:42:14 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-01 16:48:23 
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Andrew <agumperz@[EMAI  2008-05-01 18:30:36 
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Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl  2008-05-02 01:07:09 
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Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-02 08:19:38 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 05:26:28 
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Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-04 10:49:28 
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Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-04 18:37:24 
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Bob Lipton <boblipton@  2008-05-04 19:12:09 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-05 06:29:00 
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Andrew <agumperz@[EMAI  2008-05-01 19:47:03 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-01 19:56:09 
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Andrew <agumperz@[EMAI  2008-05-02 01:35:15 
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Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl  2008-05-02 15:12:44 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 08:04:15 
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Histriadogsilver <andj  2008-05-04 09:39:46 
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Histriadogsilver <andj  2008-05-04 10:01:18 
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OldPalooka <ashutts1@[  2008-05-05 06:19:53 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-02 08:25:46 
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Andrew <agumperz@[EMAI  2008-05-02 12:53:00 
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Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl  2008-05-02 16:40:25 
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Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-03 06:32:01 
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Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl  2008-05-03 12:32:11 
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OldPalooka <ashutts1@[  2008-05-02 17:06:27 
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Histriadogsilver <andj  2008-05-03 10:53:59 
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Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-03 19:28:49 
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Histriadogsilver <andj  2008-05-03 16:53:08 
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Histriadogsilver <andj  2008-05-03 17:02:32 
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Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-03 20:44:07 
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Histriadogsilver <andj  2008-05-03 17:46:40 
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Andrew <agumperz@[EMAI  2008-05-03 18:31:57 
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Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-04 07:03:49 
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StevieTee <stevts@[EMA  2008-05-04 00:52:37 
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Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-04 07:05:54 
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"raija d" <m  2008-05-04 08:45:47 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 05:32:08 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-04 05:40:58 
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Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-04 14:22:52 
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Histriadogsilver <andj  2008-05-01 16:21:40 
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Bob Lipton <boblipton@  2008-05-01 20:58:51 
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Histriadogsilver <andj  2008-05-01 18:20:20 
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Bill Jacobs <bill.jaco  2008-05-02 01:04:38 
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"raija d" <m  2008-05-01 18:27:17 
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Chris <chriswiggins@[E  2008-05-03 21:43:59 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-03 22:49:56 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl  2008-05-04 03:43:18 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Bob Lipton <boblipton@  2008-05-04 08:12:33 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-06 09:20:00 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-06 07:49:19 
Re: What's wrong with the Roth point count?
Stig Holmquist <stigfj  2008-05-06 12:50:42 

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