On 4/30/2008 4:53 PM, henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> On Apr 30, 4:27 pm, "raija d" <musti...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> On 1NT, you can play both Puppet and Smolen but then you will lose
> Garbage
> Stayman (much too big a loss, IMO).
>
> ************
>
> Although I'm with you on this, it is wrong to state that playing both
> Smolen and Puppet is what takes away garbage stayman. Since Smolen
> only applies to jumps to the 3-level showing 4-5 majors with length in
> the other major, it is Puppet Stayman that takes away the garbage
> stayman treatment, not the combination of the two.
>
> There is another potential loss in combining Puppet and Smolen over
> 1nt:
>
> AQxx
> KJxxx
> xx
> xx
>
> KJxx
> AQ
> Kxxx
> Kxxx
>
> In this setup, the bidding with go 1nt 2c; 2d (no 5M) 3s (Smolen); 4s
> all pass.
>
> Not only is the more disclosed hand the declarer, the stronger hand is
> dummy and his tenaces in the minors are threatened on lead, whereas 4S
> played by south is virtually cold.
>
> I don't know, myself, how to evaluate this defect because I don't play
> Puppet over 1nt except when I'm playing Precision, and in that case
> responder would not be strong enough to use Smolen, for in that case
> he would give a positive response to the strong club.
>
> Henrysun909
I don't think anyone would advocate playing Smolen after 1n-2c-2d, if 2d
promises a 4-card major. Just like with regular Smolen, you raise a
major if partner happens to show it after 1n-2c, you don't need to show
the 5-4 if partner promises a 4cM. Just bid 3d (or whatever your variant
of Puppet does with both majors), and let partner tell you which one he
has. If I were playing Smolen and Puppet, I would expect Smolen to apply
over 1n-2c-2n, not over 1n-2c-2d.
OTOH, it looks like you are playing the older version of Puppet, which
was designed to avoid disclosing opener's majors when there is no fit,
rather than the (much more popular, AFAICT) version which is designed to
uncover opener's 5cMs. So maybe your concerns are valid in that context;
I'd have to think a bit more about how to work Smolen into that structure.
--
Cheers,
Alan (San Jose, California, USA)
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