"Alan Malloy" <alan.NO.SPAM@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> On 4/30/2008 2:25 AM, Henry Lockwood wrote:
>> On 30 Apr, 01:21, "Jeffrey" <slesse...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> Hi Group nv v nv at matchpoints.
>>>
>>> Assuming you pass in second seat.
>>>
>>> You hold x AQxxx Kxxxx JT
>>>
>>> p - p - 3S - p
>>>
>>> p - ?
>>>
>>> Do you balance ?
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>> Firstly, I already opened this unless we're playing a very sound
>> style. Secondly, I want to know how ludicrous my LHO's pre-empts
>> are. If they're really ratty, I balance (with a X; pulling 4C to 4D).
>>
>> I think the S suit rates to be 7-3-2-1 or 7-4-1-1, and partner will
>> only leave the X in with AQx or KJxx in spades. He's also likely to
>> have some values elsewhere; worst case I can think of is that he's
>> 4-2-2-5 or similar, but with small spades. At IMPs, I pass, as +50
>> seems likely enough.
>>
>> Of course, the problem is avoided if you play takeout overcalls: you
>> can bid 4C, giving partner choice of red suits.
>
> Do takeout overcalls really avoid the problem here? I can see that you
get
> to tell partner immediately about your red two-suiter, which is nice.
But
> you force your partner****p to play at the four level, when RHO can be
just
> short of opening, and LHO a very heavy third-seat preempt. If you double
> for takeout, partner can pass with spades, and you can correct 4c to 4d,
> showing a red two-suiter. Of course this also forces you to play at the
> 4-level if partner has a bad hand, but at least you get the option to
> defend.
>
> So I don't see what takeout overcalls get you, except giving up the
option
> of defending.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Alan (San Jose, California, USA)
Also give up possibility of overcalling with a good singlesuiter.
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