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Re: Is it just a guess ? (The full hand)

by Charles Brenner <cbrenner@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 28, 2008 at 10:47 PM

On Apr 28, 8:31 am, Adam Beneschan <a...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Apr 26, 11:19 am, Dave Flower <DavJFlo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > E =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD S
=EF=BF=
=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD W =EF=BF=BD
=EF=BF=BD =
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD N
> > > p =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD1D
=EF=BF=
=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD1H =EF=BF=BD
=EF=BF=BD =
=EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD 2D
> > > 2S =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD3D =EF=BF=BD
=EF=
=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD p =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD
=EF=BF=
=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD p
> > > 3H =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDpass       pass 
 =
      4D
>
> >  =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BD all pass
> > Apologies for the duplicate H5, H3 and the wrong player bidding 4D.
>
> It looks to me that the wrong player bid 3D too.  Or maybe I don't
> understand the point of doing so, with only four trumps and a strong
> balanced hand.
>
> (P.S. My previous answer was based on the incorrect auction in which
> South bid diamonds three times.  Even so, South sounds like someone
> with five diamonds, and my comment that West seems to be bidding too
> tamely at this vulnerability to have much distribution still applies
> somewhat to a 1=3D5=3D2=3D5 hand, although less so.)
>
>
>
> > The full hand was:
> >                 K Q J
> >                 6 4
> >                 K J 7 4
> >                 10 6 4 2
> > 6                                A 9 7 5 3 2
> > K J 10 8 2                   9 7 5 3
> > Q 10 5                        8 6
> > J 9 7 5                        A
> >                 10 8 4
> >                  A Q
> >                  A 9 3 2
> >                  K Q 8 3
>
> > (I can't really remember the low cards)
> > Incidentally, I don't think that E/W can quite make 4H
>
> Why not?  It looks to me that the toughest defense would be three
> rounds of diamonds, using up one of dummy's entries, but declarer
> should still have the entries to set up dummy's spades.

But not to get to them.

Declarer needs four entries to dummy to ruff spades twice, to lead a
trump, and to cash the spades. There are potentially exactly enough
entries: two ruffs and two aces. But the spade ace is only an entry if
you lead to it so unless the defense cooperates one of the entries
will be wasted. For example: 3 diamond leads then a trump from dummy.
Defense wins and plays a club. That's your second entry to dummy but
you can't use it productively. You must now either lead a trump from
dummy (a wasteful use of the club ace entry), or cash the spade ace
(which wastes the entry value of that card).

I give you credit for checking. I tend to assume automatically that
Dave's analyses are right, but obviously that's my mental laziness.

Charles
 




 20 Posts in Topic:
Is it just a guess ?
Dave Flower <DavJFlowe  2008-04-25 04:47:40 
Re: Is it just a guess ?
Henry Lockwood <henry.  2008-04-25 06:57:59 
Re: Is it just a guess ?
Frances <FrancesHinden  2008-04-25 09:59:56 
Re: Is it just a guess ?
Histriadogsilver <andj  2008-04-25 10:23:33 
Re: Is it just a guess ?
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-04-25 10:32:08 
Re: Is it just a guess ?
Nick France <gandalfnf  2008-04-25 10:52:39 
Re: Is it just a guess ?
Rob Morris <rm445@[EMA  2008-04-25 22:52:10 
Re: Is it just a guess ?
Charles Brenner <cbren  2008-04-25 11:14:28 
Re: Is it just a guess ?
markhj111@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-25 13:36:47 
Re: Is it just a guess ?
Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-04-25 15:54:21 
Re: Is it just a guess ?
Alan Malloy <alan.NO.S  2008-04-25 17:20:03 
Re: Is it just a guess ?
Steve Willner <swillne  2008-05-03 14:30:48 
Re: Is it just a guess ?
Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-04-25 15:56:29 
Re: Is it just a guess ? (The full hand)
Dave Flower <DavJFlowe  2008-04-26 11:19:22 
Re: Is it just a guess ? (The full hand)
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-04-26 13:09:57 
Re: Is it just a guess ?
Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-04-28 08:17:32 
Re: Is it just a guess ? (The full hand)
Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-04-28 08:31:07 
Re: Is it just a guess ? (The full hand)
Charles Brenner <cbren  2008-04-28 22:47:26 
Re: Is it just a guess ? (The full hand)
Dave Flower <DavJFlowe  2008-04-29 00:36:16 
Re: Is it just a guess ? (The full hand)
Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-04-29 12:22:43 

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