Re: Quick question for any directors out there please.

"David Stevenson" <bridge2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>Thanks for the reply,
>>
>>Full Auction: 1S - P - 3S - P - P - P
>>
>>We not vul - opps were
>>
>>Nothing else to it - I agree with you that the director didn't know
>>what he was doing hence the question.
>>
>>Our agreement is straight forward and simple - 7 losers 4S, 8 losers
>>3S, 9 losers 2S - seems to work fairly well. (7 loser to open as well
>>which is why I opened it - didn't know there was a limit at level 3
>>until yesterday!)
>>
>>Director's ruling was - "this hand does not meet the RON requirement
>>therefore the opening is illegal - play the hand - if your opps do
>>worse than avg+ they will be awarded av+ and you av-"
>
>   Ah.  Now we know where we are.
>
>   First, as explained before, he has the wrong basis, which is Ro18.
>
>   Second, opening a hand which does not follow the requirements is not 
> illegal.  What is illegal is having an agreement to open with less than 
> R018.  The TD could judge that from one hand, but this description
sounds 
> as though he has gone wrong.
>
>   Third, your openings, as described elsewhere, *do* sound illegal to
me. 
> You are not allowed to just open any 7 loser hand.

By which law is this regulation sup****ted?

Tiggrr


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>  wrote
>>On 28 Apr, 14:04, Tim <t...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>> Isn't the responding hand in this case 7 losers?
>>
>>The way I count them it's two in each suit
>
>   C K8  ?
>
>   This is taking pessimism a bit far!
>
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>  wrote
>>On 28 Apr, 15:18, blackshoe <blacks...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> On Apr 28, 10:00 am, darren.cotter...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>>>
>>> > > Isn't the responding hand in this case 7 losers?
>>>
>>> > The way I count them it's two in each suit
>>>
>>> I see two in each red suit, one in clubs, and 2 1/2 in spades. <shrug>
>>>
>>> If 3S is limit, I'd bid that. If 3S is preemptive, then I'd bid
>>> whatever my limit raise is. If 2NT is GF, I would not bid that.
>>
>>You are looking at the right hand???
>>
>>QT83
>>K64
>>A875
>>K8
>
>   Losers are the first three cards in any suit that are not aces or
kings, 
> and not balanced queens.  Queens are balanced by an ace in the hand: for

> responding purposes only some allow balancing by a king.
>
>   QT83: the queen is balanced by the DA: 2 losers [T8]
>   K64:  2 losers [64]
>   A875: 2 losers [87]
>   K8:   1 loser [8]
>
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