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Re: Quick question for any directors out there please.

by OldPalooka <ashutts1@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 28, 2008 at 10:38 AM

On Apr 28, 8:17 am, "Lorne" <lorne_ander...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> <darren.cotter...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>
>
news:efa5aa6b-96c1-4a12-8bb9-1d087b1d642c@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > Thanks for the reply,
>
> > Director's ruling was - "this hand does not meet the RON requirement
> > therefore the opening is illegal - play the hand - if your opps do
> > worse than avg+ they will be awarded av+ and you av-"
>
> This is rubbish.  It is absolutely not illegal to open a sub strength
hand
> and there is nothing in the rule book allowing the director to penalize
you
> for doing it unless he can show you have an agreement to do so.  I doubt
you
> have such an agreement (which is illegal), and in any case this hand is
only
> 1 short of the RON and I think it is now a rule of 18 anyway so there is
no
> infraction.
>
> If the hand was below the minimum allowed opening bid agreement the only
> option available to the director if he wants to penalize your side is to
> claim your partner fielded a psyche.  He then has to grade the field
into
> red, amber or green.  Then he looks up what the procedure is for each
grade
> of fielded psyche.
>
> It is possible in my view to regard the responding hand as an amber
psyche
> but I would expect most to regard it as green in which case there is no
> penalty unless there is evidence that you do this regularly in which
case
> you open a whole can of worms that I will not go into.

It is possible in my view to view it as Amber, but I would rule Red if
the OS were much beyond novice.  I learned on my second day of the
game [50 years ago] that this hand is worth 14 points in sup****t and
is a hand worth game.  Since then I learned that because there is
likely to be little or no duplication, it is worth more.  I cannot
imagine a peer not driving to game except to try to create a swing.

== Bill Shutts
 




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Quick question for any directors out there please.
darren.cotterell@[EMAIL P  2008-04-28 04:29:19 
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Henry Lockwood <henry.  2008-04-28 04:56:27 
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Hank Youngerman <donts  2008-04-28 05:08:31 
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Bob Lipton <boblipton@  2008-04-28 08:09:29 
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darren.cotterell@[EMAIL P  2008-04-28 05:16:29 
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"Lorne" <lor  2008-04-28 16:17:04 
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darren.cotterell@[EMAIL P  2008-04-28 05:20:05 
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Stephen Fischer <steph  2008-04-29 00:17:13 
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"Steven Gibbs"   2008-04-28 13:26:30 
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Stephen Fischer <steph  2008-04-29 00:23:17 
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Stephen Fischer <steph  2008-04-29 00:25:23 
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Robin Barker <Robin.Ba  2008-04-28 05:27:22 
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darren.cotterell@[EMAIL P  2008-04-28 05:31:40 
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Robin Barker <Robin.Ba  2008-04-28 05:35:08 
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darren.cotterell@[EMAIL P  2008-04-28 05:36:16 
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Robin Barker <Robin.Ba  2008-04-28 05:37:06 
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darren.cotterell@[EMAIL P  2008-04-28 05:41:29 
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darren.cotterell@[EMAIL P  2008-04-28 05:43:47 
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darren.cotterell@[EMAIL P  2008-04-28 07:22:41 
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Stephen Fischer <steph  2008-04-29 00:28:45 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-28 11:44:30 
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Rob Morris <rm445@[EMA  2008-04-28 16:30:06 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-28 13:38:21 
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darren.cotterell@[EMAIL P  2008-04-28 07:39:08 
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zorak@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-28 17:40:11 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-28 16:10:39 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-28 16:16:33 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-28 16:22:31 
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darren.cotterell@[EMAIL P  2008-04-28 08:30:12 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-28 16:34:48 
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"Kieran Dyke" &  2008-04-29 15:07:13 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-28 16:36:35 
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OldPalooka <ashutts1@[  2008-04-28 10:19:59 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-28 14:38:28 
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OldPalooka <ashutts1@[  2008-04-28 10:38:36 
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darren.cotterell@[EMAIL P  2008-04-28 10:50:32 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-28 15:24:19 
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darren.cotterell@[EMAIL P  2008-04-28 11:12:57 
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Stephen Fischer <steph  2008-04-29 07:35:29 
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Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-04-28 12:28:19 
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darren.cotterell@[EMAIL P  2008-04-28 15:51:47 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-29 01:58:57 
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"Steve Foster"   2008-04-29 13:29:13 
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Rob Morris <rm445@[EMA  2008-04-29 17:37:19 
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Steve Willner <swillne  2008-05-03 14:40:50 
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"Kieran Dyke" &  2008-04-29 15:06:03 
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Rob Morris <rm445@[EMA  2008-04-29 10:40:12 
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Peter Smulders <dev0@[  2008-04-29 12:55:32 
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Rob Morris <rm445@[EMA  2008-04-29 13:13:39 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-29 13:23:50 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-29 13:24:59 
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"Kieran Dyke" &  2008-04-30 08:26:08 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-29 15:38:04 
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"Steve Foster"   2008-04-30 10:08:47 
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darren.cotterell@[EMAIL P  2008-04-29 09:03:10 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-30 16:17:09 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-30 13:06:14 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-30 16:22:55 
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"Steve Foster"   2008-05-01 00:17:22 
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Will in New Haven <bil  2008-04-30 08:31:35 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-30 16:27:50 
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"Steve Foster"   2008-05-01 00:03:29 
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Robin Barker <Robin.Ba  2008-04-30 09:33:14 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-30 14:43:12 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-30 18:04:21 
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ian.payn@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-05-01 02:14:39 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-05-02 12:16:01 
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"Steve Foster"   2008-05-06 10:51:05 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-05-08 03:50:18 
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"Steve Foster"   2008-05-08 09:59:34 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-05-08 17:55:20 
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"Steve Foster"   2008-05-09 12:13:14 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-05-13 01:52:24 
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"Steve Foster"   2008-05-13 13:52:56 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-05-13 22:24:29 
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"Steve Foster"   2008-05-14 13:41:25 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-05-14 16:23:56 

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