Re: I'll take "reconstruct the hands" for $1 million, Alex!

On Apr 28, 2:49 am, StevieTee <ste...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Apr 27, 4:10 pm, "John R. Mayne" <jrma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>
>
> > Well, but 2S is pretty awful even with your agreements (and worse with
> > sensible ones). 3C is robustly standout.
>
> On Apr 27, 1:46 pm, Bob Lipton <boblip...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>
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> > I approve o opener's bidding, but not responder's.   Over 2D responder
> > should just bid 3 Clubs.
>
> To Henry:
>
> No need to apologize; I'm quite confident that you will receive
> multiple interpretations of pretty much ANY bidding sequence that you
> post for comment on RGB....
>
> Of course, I could have "corrected" to 5C.  However, the reason that I
> didn't is that I envisioned our two hands to be something such as:
>
>      AQ                 KJ9xx
>      xx                  xx
>      KQJx              xx
>      AKQJx            10xxx
>
> This hand would have been entirely consistent with your bidding, but
> at 5C we have 3 losers off the top.  At least we have a chance in 4S.
> I passed 4S because I thought that you chose that contract because you
> could count 3 losers in the red suits.
>
> As it is, with the hands as they were:
>
>      Ax                    KJ9xx
>      xx                     xx
>      AQxx                xx
>      AKQxx              10xxx
>
> I think that you should place the contract at 5C rather than bidding
> 4S to "give me the choice of contracts" because you know that it
> likely that we have at least 1 trump loser at 4S, and maybe 2.  As it
> happens, though, on this hand there is no game anywhere as the cards
> lay (except at the other table, where our counterparts bid to 3NT and
> made it after our teammates played 2 rounds of hearts and then
> switched to a diamond, LOL).
>
> To John and Bob:
>
> You'll have to take your objections to the 2S rebid over 2D up with
> Granovetter and other experts, who proclaim that responder's FIRST
> RESPONSIBILITY OVER A REVERSE IS TO REBID A 5-CARD MAJOR.  I quote
> from Granovetter's book, "Bridge Conventions In Depth":
>
>      "Ch. 4: Reverses -- The Rest Of the Story
>
>      ...
>
>      "2. RESPONDER'S FIRST OBLIGATION IS TO REBID A FIVE-CARD MAJOR.
> Opener's reverse might have been made on a three-card suit because he
> has strong three-card sup****t for responder, but is stuck for a bid.
> For example: opener holds
>
>                [S] AK5   [H] 86  [D] A52  [C] AK963
>
> "The bidding goes:
>
>               Opener         Responder
>                   1C                1S
>                    ?
>
>       "Opener cannot jump to 3S or 4S with only three spades.  The
> right contract might be notrump or clubs, and it is foolish to blast
> into a spade game, possibly playing in a 4-3 fit, going down, when
> other contracts are superior.
>
>       "What about a 2NT rebid, certainly the value bid?  Opener hates
> to rebid two notrump with two small hearts.  If notrump is the right
> game, it should be played from the other side: opener has no tenaces
> and no stopper in hearts.
>
>       "Suppose you do rebid 2NT, and partner raises to 3NT.  They lead
> the HQ and dummy arrives with something like:
>
>                   [S] QJ76  [H] K42  [D] 743  [C] Q84
>
>       "You are going to feel ridiculous going down in three notrump
> from your side, when ten tricks are odds-on from partner's side.
>
>       "Let's go back to opener's rebid problem.
>
>                [S] AK5   [H] 86  [D] A52  [C] AK963
>
>      "The bidding goes:
>
>               Opener         Responder
>                   1C                1S
>                    ?
>
>      "What opener want to know is: (a) Does partner have five spades?
> (b) If not, does partner have a heart stopper?
>
>      "Opener can discover this information by bidding 2D, a reverse,
> which is forcing for one round.  Responder must, therefore, go out of
> his way to rebid his five-card spade suit (there's one exception to
> this, which we'll get to in just a moment).  Bidding notrump, or
> sup****ting opener's first suit, can wait."
>
> The moral of this, John and Bob, is that you should not confuse your
> own personal stylistic preferences with what is the BETTER bid to
> make.  And you certainly should NOT be commenting that the preferred
> experts' rebid on responder's hand in this case is "pretty awful."
> You are only displaying your own lack of knowledge.
>
> Steve Sun

Right, but what is your partner****p going to do with:

 Ax                    KJ9xx
 xx                     x
 KQxx                Axx
 AKQxx             10xxx

How do you bid this hand?

Opener     Responder
1c             1s
2d             2s
3h             4c
? (and now what? Do you bid 4N RKCB for clubs, is 4D or 4H a specific
RKCB agreement? How do you start a cue-bidding sequence for clubs?)

Wouldn't you like your 4S bid to be a cue-bid for clubs instead of a
preference for spades since you can't exactly make a splinter for
clubs after partner's 2D rebid? After all you have nothing wasted in
diamonds and you still can not wish to play in 3N ,for obvious
reasons:-)

Cheers
Boris