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Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?

by Adam Beneschan <adam@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 23, 2008 at 04:35 PM

On Apr 23, 2:34 pm, Michael Angelo Ravera <marav...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
> On Apr 23, 2:02 pm, Peter Smulders <d...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > Michael Angelo Ravera <marav...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> schreef in
news:77a85f52-3e42-
> > 4a32-a6c8-7e21edc7c...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > > My partner ends up declaring (3NT, I believe). RHO leads a club and
I
> > > call the TD. When she arrived, I explained that the "lead may have
> > > been 'inspired' [demonstrably suggested] by unauthorized
information".
>
> > Simple. Your calling the TD is a violation of Law 43A1: Unless
attention has
> > been drawn to an irregularity by another player, dummy should not
initiate a
> > call for the Director during play.
>
> > The TD should have left the table without doing anything.
>
> I wasn't dummy yet! I still had all 13 cards in my hand when I called
> the director. It is possible that director could have backed up the
> club lead or ruled a lead out of turn.

I checked the Laws after Peter posted, and I believe he's right.  The
auction period ends, and the play period begins, once the opening lead
is faced.  I'm pretty sure that at that point the "presumed dummy"
becomes the "dummy" and can no longer draw attention to an
irregularity.  (Note that the Laws say that dummy *should* not
initiate a call to the director; the phrase "should not" is not as
strong as "may not", and the ACBL has stated that it's OK for dummy to
call the director to re****t a Zero Tolerance violation, for instance,
if the opponents start swearing at him.  But that's not relevant to
this situation; and you did call attention to an irregularity, so a
different law applies.)

Also, once the opening lead is faced, the director cannot "back up"
the lead.  If the opening lead has been made face-down, and it turns
out that one of the last couple calls has been based on
misinformation, the director can cancel the last call or two and the
auction would be reopened.  But after the opening lead has been faced,
this is no longer possible, and if there was misinformation the only
remedy is to play it out and possibly award an adjusted score.

It's true that, after an opening lead out of turn is faced, the
presumed declarer can become dummy (and vice versa) by facing his
hand, or by selecting the option to make partner the declarer after
calling the director.  It might be possible that there are corner
cases here where the Laws aren't entirely clear.  Also, there may be
problems if the opening lead is not first made face down, in violation
of Law 41A.  Even if the lead *had* been made face down, presumed
dummy could not ask questions about the auction (41B), but he can, I
think, call the director if he finds there was misinformation and his
final call was based on that misinformation.  Still, though, I think
that if a card has been faced, even if it was faced too quickly, the
auction can no longer be backed up, and dummy's only recourse is to
call the director after the hand about the misinformation and ask for
an adjusted score.  And in this situation, you should have waited
until the end of the hand to tell the director that you believed the
lead was based on UI.

                                   -- Adam
 




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How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Michael Angelo Ravera <  2008-04-23 12:35:44 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
dancle16@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-23 13:03:24 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-24 10:41:38 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Henk Uijterwaal <henku  2008-04-24 15:56:33 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-24 11:11:44 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
richlp <richlptx@[EMAI  2008-04-23 13:21:26 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-04-23 13:23:58 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
"raija d" <m  2008-04-23 13:51:36 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Michael Angelo Ravera <  2008-04-23 14:00:13 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
"raija d" <m  2008-04-23 15:16:57 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
"Freddy Flares"  2008-04-28 14:32:09 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Peter Smulders <dev0@[  2008-04-23 23:02:31 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Michael Angelo Ravera <  2008-04-23 14:29:08 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R  2008-04-25 12:20:09 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Michael Angelo Ravera <  2008-04-23 14:34:14 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Peter Smulders <dev0@[  2008-04-24 01:05:39 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-04-23 14:45:52 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Travis Crump <pretzalz  2008-04-23 21:58:30 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Michael Angelo Ravera <  2008-04-23 16:28:55 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-04-23 16:35:24 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Peter Smulders <dev0@[  2008-04-24 10:07:14 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-04-23 16:48:37 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-04-23 16:53:22 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
John D'Errico <woodchi  2008-04-23 20:38:47 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Andrew <agumperz@[EMAI  2008-04-23 18:08:21 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Andrew <agumperz@[EMAI  2008-04-23 18:20:19 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Andrew <agumperz@[EMAI  2008-04-23 18:28:21 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-24 02:42:25 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-24 02:53:27 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Michael Angelo Ravera <  2008-04-24 03:09:21 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Mike Roney <rroney@[EM  2008-04-25 08:27:31 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Free <fstaelens@[EMAIL  2008-04-24 03:38:43 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-04-24 04:36:12 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Larry <lnlowell@[EMAIL  2008-04-24 05:37:54 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Tim <thg@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-04-24 07:13:59 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Andrew <agumperz@[EMAI  2008-04-24 07:37:24 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
dake50@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-24 09:12:36 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-04-24 09:46:26 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
OldPalooka <ashutts1@[  2008-04-24 10:19:40 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-24 14:47:39 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Michael Angelo Ravera <  2008-04-24 11:36:03 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
zorak@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-04-24 20:53:16 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-04-24 12:43:13 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Michael Angelo Ravera <  2008-04-24 14:26:03 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
"raija d" <m  2008-04-24 17:57:57 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Tim <thg@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-04-24 17:03:06 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-04-24 18:13:54 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
RayYuenger@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-04-25 01:46:55 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_R  2008-04-25 12:03:21 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Michael Angelo Ravera <  2008-04-25 11:17:56 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-04-25 11:22:55 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Michael Angelo Ravera <  2008-04-25 11:28:54 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Michael Angelo Ravera <  2008-04-25 11:52:45 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-04-25 12:24:31 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
blackshoe <blackshoe@[  2008-04-25 13:00:59 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Michael Angelo Ravera <  2008-04-25 16:18:05 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
Andrew <agumperz@[EMAI  2008-04-25 17:31:47 
Re: How many questions about an opening bid before it's UI?
David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-28 15:56:30 

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