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Re: self-explanations and self-alerts

by Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 21, 2008 at 04:47 PM

On Apr 21, 2:09=A0pm, Will in New Haven
<bill.re...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>
> "I don't understand partner's bid" is UI. Massive UI that can't
> possibly be compensated by your partner explaining his/her bid to the
> opponents.
>
> --
> Will in New Haven

Hi Will. Yeah, unfortunately it's UI. In online it can be avoided. My
idea was that face to face you let partner explain his/her bid when
you are unsure of the meaning. So you are not exactly saying you don't
understand -- you might be reasonably confident but not sure enough to
want to do the honors yourself.

That is UI. I don't see how to avoid it.  If I describe partner's bid
and get it wrong, that is massive UI. If I describe partner's bid and
get it right, that it still useful UI. Later on he may wonder if I got
the meaning right except that he heard my correct description. Saying
"no agreement" is also the same UI.

So, I am pretty sure that asking partner to describe his/her bid, when
you are uncertain, minimizes UI . But it doesn't eliminate it.

Bob
 




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self-explanations and self-alerts
Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-20 12:46:26 
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blackshoe <blackshoe@[  2008-04-20 13:43:33 
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Henry Lockwood <henry.  2008-04-20 15:01:44 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-20 16:27:38 
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Peter Smulders <dev0@[  2008-04-21 02:14:46 
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"raija d" <m  2008-04-20 18:58:17 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-21 12:07:16 
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"Steve Foster"   2008-04-21 15:50:07 
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Hank Youngerman <donts  2008-04-20 17:25:00 
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CBFalconer <cbfalconer  2008-04-20 21:38:09 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-21 02:42:57 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-21 02:48:22 
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ted <morristed@[EMAIL   2008-04-20 20:36:48 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-20 21:50:05 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-23 12:07:26 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-22 02:17:34 
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Will in New Haven <bil  2008-04-22 06:50:59 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-22 10:20:04 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-22 15:24:00 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-22 10:18:52 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-20 20:43:42 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-20 21:48:25 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-21 15:14:40 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-20 22:13:53 
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"raija d" <m  2008-04-20 22:22:51 
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Brian <usenetposting@[  2008-04-21 12:00:47 
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ian.payn@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-21 02:18:34 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-21 14:01:43 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-21 12:14:18 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-21 14:05:20 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-21 08:16:42 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-21 14:08:29 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-21 18:59:19 
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Will in New Haven <bil  2008-04-21 11:09:56 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-21 15:22:21 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-21 23:50:52 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-21 16:16:18 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-22 00:02:50 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-24 05:24:56 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-24 05:26:50 
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Will in New Haven <bil  2008-04-24 07:08:19 

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